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Old 02-01-2017 | 06:41 PM
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Back to the days when you'd show your ID AND Union Card if you want to ride the jumpseat.
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Old 02-01-2017 | 07:33 PM
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Put another way, not everyone buys on price alone. Some people will buy a BMW, while others will buy a Ford. There are at least two sides to every market.
Airlines don't want a BMW. They want the cheapest car that will do the job.

The idea that there is an airline that will always want the best pilots (as if that can actually be measured) isn't true. Odds are you can be a pretty bad pilot and make it to the end of your career on luck. Airlines will be happy hiring those "lucky" pilots for less.
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Old 02-02-2017 | 04:12 AM
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Originally Posted by NMuir
You fail to see the other side of the equation... many business don't want bottom feeder employees, so they are willing to pay more for higher quality. Put another way, not everyone buys on price alone. Some people will buy a BMW, while others will buy a Ford. There are at least two sides to every market.
So then they should have nothing to fear from collective bargaining.
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Old 02-02-2017 | 07:04 AM
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Originally Posted by GogglesPisano
So then they should have nothing to fear from collective bargaining.
There is nothing wrong with collective bargaining, and in fact it can many times be a good thing. But it is not legal for the federal government to give unions special powers and privileges.
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Old 02-02-2017 | 07:05 AM
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Originally Posted by 2StgTurbine
Airlines don't want a BMW. They want the cheapest car that will do the job.

The idea that there is an airline that will always want the best pilots (as if that can actually be measured) isn't true. Odds are you can be a pretty bad pilot and make it to the end of your career on luck. Airlines will be happy hiring those "lucky" pilots for less.
Really?

So anyone can get a job at DAL or FedEx?
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Old 02-02-2017 | 07:07 AM
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Interesting how people who proclaim to loathe freeloaders benefitting from the efforts of others are championing a law that would allow freeloaders to benefit from the efforts of others.

Also interesting how healthcare and other topics aren't "rights", yet somehow work is a "right".

I wonder if the same people also think government involvement in marriage is appropriate.
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Old 02-02-2017 | 07:10 AM
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Originally Posted by NMuir
There is nothing wrong with collective bargaining, and in fact it can many times be a good thing. But it is not legal for the federal government to give unions special powers and privileges.
Then why is the federal government going to interfere in contracts between unions and companies?
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Old 02-02-2017 | 10:35 AM
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Originally Posted by GogglesPisano
Then why is the federal government going to interfere in contracts between unions and companies?
Because the federal government constantly breaks the law
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Old 02-02-2017 | 10:35 AM
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Originally Posted by BoilerUP
Interesting how people who proclaim to loathe freeloaders benefitting from the efforts of others are championing a law that would allow freeloaders to benefit from the efforts of others.

Also interesting how healthcare and other topics aren't "rights", yet somehow work is a "right".

I wonder if the same people also think government involvement in marriage is appropriate.
https://yourlogicalfallacyis.com/strawman
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Old 02-02-2017 | 11:08 AM
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Strawman fallacy...I'm not sure that means what you think it means.

Republicans proposed this RTW bill, which will allow union non-members to receive compensation and benefits negotiated by union members (along with union representation!) without paying a dime in dues to aforementioned union.

Is that not the definition of free-loading - taking advantage of others' efforts while contributing nothing?

Do Republicans not loathe "freeloaders" who want something for nothing? I'm a Republican, and the answer is yes, yes Republicans do loathe "freeloaders"...which makes the hypocrisy all that more apparent.

Do Republicans not frequently say things like "health care is not a right"? I'm a Republican, the answer is yes, yes they do, because health care (or more appropriately, health insurance) *isn't* a right. Along those same lines, there also isn't a "right" to work.

It is disingenuous to utilize the same line of logic you dismiss whenever it suits your own ideology.

Nobody holds a gun to your head and makes you work in a closed shop; no, an individual has a CHOICE to do that or take their services elsewhere. If an individual CHOOSES to work in a closed shop, being a member of the collective bargaining agent is kinda part of the deal. You know, freedom of choice and all...
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