Originally Posted by Dave Fitzgerald

The conversion they are talking about is not whether you can turn down an assignment on VDO. It refers to the ability of withdrawing the VDO designation back to a regular RDO with in CCS. It goes to manpower planning. The crew desk wants their cake and eat it too.

A VDO is not considered under any of the rules for days on reserve. FAR 117 or contractual ability to be contacted. Meaning, like senior manning, they can ask you, cold, if you can make it to the airport in 2 hours. No FAR 117 rest, no long call pre rest requirements, or duty associated with short call. So, I might consider a VDO my option to work or not. I've never had a problem with turning down a VDO call with the crew desk.

It's an end around to all the rules, and pretty much the only way the crew desk can cover a trip on very short notice, particularly if they don't have a legal short call available.

Originally Posted by APC225

Could you explain the note on VDO days on page 636 at the end of the annotated UPA? It's sounds like there's a phone availability and that during that time you can't back out of it.

Note - "He may not withdraw the conversion at the time of assignment or between 1100 and 1500" means: "When a Reserve is contactable (i.e., he is required to be phone available), he may not withdraw the conversion at the time of assignment or between 1100 and 1500."

Originally Posted by Dave Fitzgerald

No, not sure, off the top of my head....I've been wrong before. But, I don't answer the phone either, get the message, then decide.

But, that 50% vs 100% does need to be fixed.

Originally Posted by jsled

Additionally to what Dave said....IF you convert days off to VDOs at the end of a RSV stretch, and you are still phone available on that RSV stretch, CS could give you an assignment that spilled into the VDO(s). I believe THAT is the intent of your quoted contract language. The key being "required to be phone available"... (on Reserve). If you do not convert VDOs until you are released from RSV OR better yet, only convert the days leading into RSV, you don't have to answer your phone, AND you can accept or reject any assignments cs has to offer. Just like SRM. "no thanks, but call me back if you have something with more MEAT"

Originally Posted by IHateYou

Snapshot out. 747 CA bidding CLE 737 FO.

Originally Posted by Otters

I'm chewing on what you said. Thanks. Are you saying if a trip spills into VDO days, I'm not paid VDO on those days so designated as VDO?.
I'll dive into the contract to understand more. Thanks

Originally Posted by nopac6

I have "unofficial" word that LAX 777 is closing for sure after they go through the NPDM process.

Originally Posted by baseball

Why would this need to close?

What we gonna do with those jets and routes?

This is insanity. Can't the airline just publish a damn base and fleet plan immediately so the entire cadre of pilots who are currently on property can do some mulling over of options. Wouldn't it be great if people knew they needed to move, maybe they could do it over the summer while the kids were out of school?

Just saying........."unofficial word" Why can't the entire world get an official word?

Originally Posted by pilotgolfer

If the days designated as VDO were RDO or FDO...you won't get paid any extra. Those days are moveable by scheduling anyways. You would get stuck with the spillover flying if they were VDOs or not.

It only makes sense putting VDOs in front of RSV blocks.

Originally Posted by ReadyRsv

Maybe he just want's to go to school like a hundred times in a row. he could do all this with no seatlock. Think of the hotel points!!!
737FO->
756FO->
777FO->
320CA->
756CA(optional, if you want to maximize those highly sought after sim hours)->
787CA->Profit?