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Old 04-06-2017 | 06:19 AM
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Originally Posted by Lambourne
Except many of the Scabs are adorned with pins everywhere. The pin doesn't separate the good and bad. You have to have a lineup to know the players.

Saw a guy hold the elevator for a scab, give him the friendly chit chat and regards. The scab was a ALPA pin wearer from the forgiven tribe. I recognized his name the other pilot didn't.

I think that says a lot about ALPA when they are willing to forgive and give pins to those scabs. The corporation of ALPA is more important than the morality of ALPA.
I agree and see many crews go out to dinner with these people while on layovers in Asia. I just don't get it.
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Old 04-06-2017 | 07:32 AM
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I'm not sure I agree with you. SFO is on the fringe certainly. But in a good way. Wear your pin. We have a fair amount of scabs, so buyer be ware. That is where I think the hang up is. Not necessarily about the merger. Scabs, yes.
Disagree. Continental's name has been dropped on my last 3 visits down there during FPA chit chat and shockingly it wasn't in a positive light.

I too wear my pin proudly but legacy bling and CAL bashing seem to affront SFO. I honestly could care less as these dweebs are just holdouts from a bygone era that they can't seem to accept is gone or wasn't ever as great as they make it out to be.
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Old 04-06-2017 | 08:28 AM
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Originally Posted by 757Driver
Disagree. Continental's name has been dropped on my last 3 visits down there during FPA chit chat and shockingly it wasn't in a positive light.

I too wear my pin proudly but legacy bling and CAL bashing seem to affront SFO. I honestly could care less as these dweebs are just holdouts from a bygone era that they can't seem to accept is gone or wasn't ever as great as they make it out to be.
Guys wearing the old leagcy wings are on equal footing to the scabs wearing pins. I'm L-UA, was sold a bill of goods in the ESOP fable, took over a 50% pay cut in BK, stove piped by my union and lost my pension. I'm happy to put the tulip in the rear view and look down the road. Last time I looked I couldn't tell what paint was on the tail from the cockpit.

I've heard the bashing and knowing the guys on my side of the branch of the tree they are usually the pilots no one wants to fly with anyway. Wouldn't matter where they were prior to the merge they would be just as loud mouthed if they were from the other side. It's a personality defect. The only cure is their medical out or retirement.

If you are wearing the old wings from whatever legacy, you are in "tool of the decade" territory.
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Old 04-06-2017 | 08:34 AM
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Originally Posted by Lambourne
Except many of the Scabs are adorned with pins everywhere. The pin doesn't separate the good and bad. You have to have a lineup to know the players.

Saw a guy hold the elevator for a scab, give him the friendly chit chat and regards. The scab was a ALPA pin wearer from the forgiven tribe. I recognized his name the other pilot didn't.

I think that says a lot about ALPA when they are willing to forgive and give pins to those scabs. The corporation of ALPA is more important than the morality of ALPA.
Granted, it is harder to tell these days, but a scab is still a scab, will always be a scab even after they die--at least to me. There will be no friendly chit chat.

Maybe this could be an opportunity. If we do get the new uniforms, change the hardware to something a bit more classy instead of cracker jack plastic. Then every one should be wearing the better stuff. Thinking out loud.
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Old 04-06-2017 | 08:41 AM
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Originally Posted by 757Driver
Disagree. Continental's name has been dropped on my last 3 visits down there during FPA chit chat and shockingly it wasn't in a positive light.

I too wear my pin proudly but legacy bling and CAL bashing seem to affront SFO. I honestly could care less as these dweebs are just holdouts from a bygone era that they can't seem to accept is gone or wasn't ever as great as they make it out to be.
Come to EWR. Quite the opposite...
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Old 04-06-2017 | 09:15 AM
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Come to EWR. Quite the opposite...
Then that is equally as wrong.
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Old 04-06-2017 | 01:34 PM
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bunch of posts lately showing no historical perspective me thinks
been lots lots mergers over fifty years
and yes if you ask the folks from each era, the two groups always hold onto their past
they never really so fully blend
i remember seeing eal stuff on bags in ops for years. years.
and pan am stuff on pacific trips
focus on keeping the cabin cool during boarding and slow the f@&$k down in rough air
give good safe rides and knock off the school girl chat about clothes and tie tacks and pantyhose
geeeeeash
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Old 04-06-2017 | 01:39 PM
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Originally Posted by Dave Fitzgerald
Granted, it is harder to tell these days, but a scab is still a scab, will always be a scab even after they die--at least to me. There will be no friendly chit chat.

Maybe this could be an opportunity. If we do get the new uniforms, change the hardware to something a bit more classy instead of cracker jack plastic. Then every one should be wearing the better stuff. Thinking out loud.
Do you know all the scabs by face/name at the airline? I just happened to recognize the scab that was festooned with enough ALPA pins to set off the magnetometer from 5 feet away. Could you find yourself exchanging pleasnatries with an unknown scab as a result of ALPA's decision to seek money over ethical standards?
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Old 04-06-2017 | 01:48 PM
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Bigger issues out there now.. IAH 787 going away... GUM likely going away.. dogs and cats sleeping together. Germans bombed Pearl Harbor..etc..
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Old 04-06-2017 | 01:56 PM
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Bigger issues out there now.. IAH 787 going away... GUM likely going away.. dogs and cats sleeping together. Germans bombed Pearl Harbor..etc..
Just wait for the first shell lobbed into South Korea...watch how fast our flying will go to heck in a hand basket.
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