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Old 07-14-2022, 05:36 AM
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Originally Posted by 6ppc
Anyone know number of seats available?

There were 2 seats available on the Triple and 787. Last seat on the 78 went 3 from the bottom I believe. Rest went fairly middle. The 78 and Bus were the only thing left by the last 15 on the bid.


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Old 07-16-2022, 12:09 PM
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What has better trips the 77 or 78?
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Old 07-16-2022, 12:32 PM
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What has better trips the 77 or 78?
Which base

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Old 07-17-2022, 01:16 PM
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Is there any real difference between 77 and 78 for new hire at EWR? Any advice or recommendations?
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Old 07-17-2022, 03:29 PM
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Is there any real difference between 77 and 78 for new hire at EWR? Any advice or recommendations?

Each one features several years of global reserve. And if a new contract makes reserve less painful, you're going to see a lot more senior pilots jump ahead of you in line. What are your goals? Do you live in domicile? Are you going to stick with it or bid down to narrowbodies 2 years later? If you're older and just want the widebody life before you retire and you live in base it makes sense. Outside of that scenario most people are better off staying on the NB fleets and upgrading when you have the seniority to hold a line or close to it. if you're chasing the money, your earnings and seniority will be comparable by staying NB then bidding for the left seat after you're off probation.
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Old 07-18-2022, 09:42 AM
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I am retiring military, donít need to fly a ton, like idea of WB and international, will have to commute, seems OK to be on researve as long as they pay researve, maybe my ingorence, IDK.

I am 6/23 CJO was expecting Sep Indoc date, just received email for Aug 9th, it had link to accept invitation. Really hoping to start Indoc mid Sep. What is best way to try get later class without burning any bridges? I have not accepted the invitation yet.

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Old 07-18-2022, 10:33 AM
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Originally Posted by 6ppc
I am retiring military, donít need to fly a ton, like idea of WB and international, will have to commute, seems OK to be on researve as long as they pay researve, maybe my ingorence, IDK.

I am 6/23 CJO was expecting Sep Indoc date, just received email for Aug 9th, it had link to accept invitation. Really hoping to start Indoc mid Sep. What is best way to try get later class without burning any bridges? I have not accepted the invitation yet.
Commuting to reserve sucks the life out of you. On WBs, that will be you for many, many years. The min days off for a reserve are 12/13 depending on a 30 & 31 day month. And you WILL be on reserve for those other 18 days. On a NB, you will get min days off as a junior lineholder, also at the moment, since line credits are high. Just giving you a reasonable expectation of what to expect fro the next few years.

As far as a selecting a later date, I wouldnít recommend it. Seniority is everything at an airline and giving up 400 numbers could be the difference between you and the street later on. But if you want, just email them and ask. Theyíll either say yes or no. Itís not burning a bridge.
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Old 07-18-2022, 03:40 PM
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Originally Posted by 6ppc
I am retiring military, donít need to fly a ton, like idea of WB and international, will have to commute, seems OK to be on researve as long as they pay researve, maybe my ingorence, IDK.

I am 6/23 CJO was expecting Sep Indoc date, just received email for Aug 9th, it had link to accept invitation. Really hoping to start Indoc mid Sep. What is best way to try get later class without burning any bridges? I have not accepted the invitation yet.
Everyone is different, from my perspective I'm a new hire from the AF and one thing that really caught me by surprise during the transition is the amount of additional commercial flying considerations versus my preconceived notions of what it was going to be like. Obviously it's nothing too cosmic, but depending on your background it could be very different expereience than taxiing out of any quiet AFB and going to the MOA or quiet Class C/D fields for pilot pro with a more accelerated training timeline. Maybe you'll be a faster learner than me, but you will get far more reps and far more experience flying NB's versus sitting reserve on the triple or 78 forever, being the bunkie and getting maybe 30 takeoffs and landings per year.

The 2 big threats would be hanging out in WB's for a year or two, getting very little actual experience, then going to the left seat in the bus or 73 and struggling during upgrade, and the second is all the advice I've gotten is commuting to sit reserve is miserable. I'm rapidly learning it's not the time spent traveling or how deep your spotify playlist is, it's the part where you have no idea if you'll pick up a trip to a freezing cold or tropical destination, or when you'll get home, or if you're going to make it back to your home airport where you left your car, when you'll fly, all while paying out of pocket for hotels or crash pads and praying for an open seat on the ride to or from home. There's the "responsible commuter" policy, but there's also probation with minimal union support and a vague threat about reliability ratings. With all the cancellations these days it's very easy for a flight to go from half empty to overbooked if one flight gets cancelled. And if your reserve schedule has 2 days off in between reserve blocks, there's a real chance that you'll be flying home on your first day off and flying back to EWR to sit reserve on the second day. I'm still in the reserves so I'm managing my mental health by being able to take short bits of mil leave, but some of my retired friends don't have that luxury and they ended up moving to base sooner. You very well could be different though, it's not a one size fits all thing. And I will happily remind myself when I'm sitting standby that at least I'm not writing OPR's or doing PME or fighting finance to get my DTS voucher approved, and hopefully that keeps me sane.

The consistent advice I've heard is
-commuting sucks, especially double commutes and especially going to reserve
-mil guys with no commercial or boeing experience should avoid 756's to minimize the amount of transition learning (ie learning United procedures, 121 ops, oceanic ops plus 4 different aircraft)
-you can always snag the 73 or bus at indoc and move up to widebodies if you decide commuting is feasible, but if you pick wide bodies in indoc, you're stuck in a seat lock for 2 years for better or for worse.
But the beauty of this gig is it's all a choose your own adventure story, and it comes with a fraction of the BS from big blue. If you want to go WB right out the gate then go then go for it!
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Old 07-18-2022, 07:12 PM
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Originally Posted by 6ppc
I am retiring military, donít need to fly a ton, like idea of WB and international, will have to commute, seems OK to be on researve as long as they pay researve, maybe my ingorence, IDK.

I am 6/23 CJO was expecting Sep Indoc date, just received email for Aug 9th, it had link to accept invitation. Really hoping to start Indoc mid Sep. What is best way to try get later class without burning any bridges? I have not accepted the invitation yet.
My advice is to get to class as soon as you can.
If on terminal leave you should be good to go. Otherwise, you need to figure it out. I don't think you'll burn bridges, but I guess you told them when you were available, and they went with that.
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Originally Posted by 6ppc
I am retiring military, don’t need to fly a ton, like idea of WB and international, will have to commute, seems OK to be on researve as long as they pay researve, maybe my ingorence, IDK.

I am 6/23 CJO was expecting Sep Indoc date, just received email for Aug 9th, it had link to accept invitation. Really hoping to start Indoc mid Sep. What is best way to try get later class without burning any bridges? I have not accepted the invitation yet.
There is no harm in deferring classes other than lost seniority. (assuming you told hiring what your true "availability date" was - do not defer past that date short of illness)

Commuting to a line - any line - is superior to reserve. You will have a far more enjoyable 2nd career in the military avoiding WB flying until you are either senior enough to hold a line reliably or live in base. WB reserve as a commuter you can expect to be gone 18 days per month and have days rolled off as required except for your 6 days off that the company can't easily move.

WB and NB pay the same first year and once you learn how United works it is pretty easy to move up to WB aircraft. The WB training for the most part - assumes you know how United operates.

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