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Old 07-24-2022 | 09:21 AM
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Originally Posted by cactipilot
... This job is in many respects more arduous than dealing with military deployment cycles ...
Your experience must have been much different than mine. Every deployment was more frustrating and painful than the one before it.

How can being an airline pilot that gets paid an insane amount of money to work half of the month that stays in nice hotels even compare to deploying to a combat zone on the other side of world to sleep in a tent and eat MREs?
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Old 07-24-2022 | 10:04 AM
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Originally Posted by threeighteen
This is the worst advice ^^


1 class can make the difference between getting furloughed or not getting furloughed. For some, it made the difference between getting furloughed only once instead of twice. It can make the difference between holding WB CA, or not. It can make the difference when it comes to getting above the G line in the left seat of a widebody. It can make the difference between getting Christmas, Thanksgiving, birthdays, etc off.

Get there fast, take it slow. Take the first newhire class you can, then delay upgrade if you want, but don't delay the day that your seniority starts.
well said.

I put my name on the list to move up from my awarded class date if any opening in earlier classes became available. A few weeks later UAL asked if I wanted to move up a week. I said yes. Because of that I didn’t get furloughed as part of the post 9/11 furloughs.

life on the bottom wasn’t fun, but it also wasn’t furloughed.
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Old 07-24-2022 | 01:22 PM
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Originally Posted by BlackOcelot
Your experience must have been much different than mine. Every deployment was more frustrating and painful than the one before it.

How can being an airline pilot that gets paid an insane amount of money to work half of the month that stays in nice hotels even compare to deploying to a combat zone on the other side of world to sleep in a tent and eat MREs?
If you think this job pays an “insane” amount of money you are absolutely insane. My goodness. It’s O5 pay for the first fiveish years and goes up from there.

If you think you “work half the month” you’re doing something the majority of are not. The data backs me up-go look at the line constructions.

Signed, 27 year army/USAF vet who also didn’t love all my deployments and agrees, yes the hotels are just fine.
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Old 07-24-2022 | 03:30 PM
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Originally Posted by Tini
If you think this job pays an “insane” amount of money you are absolutely insane. My goodness. It’s O5 pay for the first fiveish years and goes up from there.

If you think you “work half the month” you’re doing something the majority of are not. The data backs me up-go look at the line constructions.

Signed, 27 year army/USAF vet who also didn’t love all my deployments and agrees, yes the hotels are just fine.
4 4-day trips. 16 days out of 30 or 31 days. You are right, it’s more then half the month 😑. To use your O5 pay reference, how much work were you doing for that pay? How many field problems? How much off duty “work” did you have to do? We as pilots do not work hard for what we do and are compensated well for doing so little.
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Old 07-24-2022 | 06:34 PM
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4 4-day trips. 16 days out of 30 or 31 days. You are right, it’s more then half the month 😑. To use your O5 pay reference, how much work were you doing for that pay? How many field problems? How much off duty “work” did you have to do? We as pilots do not work hard for what we do and are compensated well for doing so little.
You are absolutely free to have your opinion of the compensation for the level of work involved. I personally feel we do work hard for what we do and are compensated at the low end of adequate.
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Old 07-24-2022 | 08:42 PM
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Originally Posted by threeighteen
This is the worst advice ^^


1 class can make the difference between getting furloughed or not getting furloughed. For some, it made the difference between getting furloughed only once instead of twice. It can make the difference between holding WB CA, or not. It can make the difference when it comes to getting above the G line in the left seat of a widebody. It can make the difference between getting Christmas, Thanksgiving, birthdays, etc off.

Get there fast, take it slow. Take the first newhire class you can, then delay upgrade if you want, but don't delay the day that your seniority starts.
This is flawed thinking, guys and girls. For a minuscule, non statistically representative percentage of the pilots yes that one or two months will have made a difference. Yes, seniority makes a difference in a labor group seniority focused job. But I'm writing to a fellow senior military veteran who has already been through the grinder at some point. With all the growth and hiring, there will be people below you. If you're in your 40s when you come here, you're not really gonna enjoy much if any time in the left seat of a wide body anyway... and if you're an o-5 or above pension, why even bother with the long reserve slog in the left seat of any airframe. The one thing you WILL give up with certainly is another summer. You did 20 plus years, and KUDOS, brother!!! Give yourself that.
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Old 07-24-2022 | 08:57 PM
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Originally Posted by BlackOcelot
Your experience must have been much different than mine. Every deployment was more frustrating and painful than the one before it.

How can being an airline pilot that gets paid an insane amount of money to work half of the month that stays in nice hotels even compare to deploying to a combat zone on the other side of world to sleep in a tent and eat MREs?
Hey I'm not saying deployments weren't painful or progressively more painful than the previous one. But sit back and consider this reality : as a professional pilot, you will be gone from your own life for roughly half of the month, give or take a day or two, for quite a bit of time..... for possibly 40 years if you were lucky enough to get in at 24 for instance. We had our deployable billets and non deployable billets and yes the 6 or 9 or 12 or 15 or gawd forbid longer stretches, and holy mackerel the guys in the tents with the MREs... yeah i salute you but hey, let's help the guy understand he's gotten his, and the rushing to the first class and flushing yet another time with the family may be just another nail in the coffin for a marriage or time with the kids in their last few years around the house.
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Old 07-25-2022 | 03:41 AM
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Originally Posted by Tini
You are absolutely free to have your opinion of the compensation for the level of work involved. I personally feel we do work hard for what we do and are compensated at the low end of adequate.
You my friend have lived oh to cushy of a life if you think we are not paid well for the amount of work we do. I have worked much much harder and longer for a lot less pay, military and civilian work. It’s all about perspective.
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Old 07-25-2022 | 05:42 AM
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Any first week of July CJO's receiving class dates?
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Old 07-25-2022 | 02:45 PM
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Originally Posted by WaterRooster
You my friend have lived oh to cushy of a life if you think we are not paid well for the amount of work we do. I have worked much much harder and longer for a lot less pay, military and civilian work. It’s all about perspective.
You're selling yourself and the whole pilot group short if this is your true attitude. You earn ever dollar you're paid as an airline pilot and we are way underpaid for what we do. It's not about how hard you work, if that was the case a ditch digger makes more than an airline pilot. It's supply and demand, skills and responsibility. You're going to find out quickly what you give up for that extraordinary pay is a lot!
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