New Hire Classes and Drops
03-01-2020 | 10:02 AM
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Agree. If they promised something, you can’t remove that offer 3 days prior to the start date and expect to be viewed as professionals. If they need to furlough them a week later, so be it. But at least stand behind what you have offered as a professional organization. If the offer was a month out, that would be a different story. I hope united will change their decision on this.
why don’t they postpone the new uniforms officially and save that money to hire these guys for even a few weeks and if things continue their present trajectory then furlough them at least they will be able to collect unemployment. As of now if they quit they are sol.
I was impressed at management for what they did for the new hires widow from the atlas crash. I dare them to perform at the same humanitarian standard!
03-01-2020 | 10:08 AM
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Sure the class was cancelled but where these pilots put in a different class later in the month? So far we haven’t cancelled ALL classes. They can push off the later new hires and take these in their place.
i agree 3 days prior is really bad so hopefully they will all be on property in a couple weeks.
i agree 3 days prior is really bad so hopefully they will all be on property in a couple weeks.
03-01-2020 | 10:27 AM
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This is in no way unprecedented, and should be a lesson to everyone whose just going into their first downturn that the truth of the matter is
1.) you’re a widget, nothing more and
2.) you’re owed nothing, there are no certainties
Those who’ve been in this industry long enough, or those who have been smart enough to learn about it should in no way be surprised. Hopefully everyone hired in the last few years has been living below their means and preparing for winter. Every downturn is always preceded by some event that no one saw coming or could have predicted. It always starts slow then blows up fast. The good news is we have a road map for this particular one, albeit it’s shaping up to be far worse this time. Oil is also going down and a global slowdown in everything is going to put more downward pressure on it. It’s also 90% hype/fear from the media and as the fear mongering drags on, real science and data comes out, people will get wise to it and get burned out.
1.) you’re a widget, nothing more and
2.) you’re owed nothing, there are no certainties
Those who’ve been in this industry long enough, or those who have been smart enough to learn about it should in no way be surprised. Hopefully everyone hired in the last few years has been living below their means and preparing for winter. Every downturn is always preceded by some event that no one saw coming or could have predicted. It always starts slow then blows up fast. The good news is we have a road map for this particular one, albeit it’s shaping up to be far worse this time. Oil is also going down and a global slowdown in everything is going to put more downward pressure on it. It’s also 90% hype/fear from the media and as the fear mongering drags on, real science and data comes out, people will get wise to it and get burned out.
03-01-2020 | 11:35 AM
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Sure the class was cancelled but where these pilots put in a different class later in the month? So far we haven’t cancelled ALL classes. They can push off the later new hires and take these in their place.
i agree 3 days prior is really bad so hopefully they will all be on property in a couple weeks.
i agree 3 days prior is really bad so hopefully they will all be on property in a couple weeks.
You had no classes on the books after 3/3....
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03-01-2020 | 11:50 AM
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Airline will hire right up until they furlough.
While getting your class pushed back, cancelled or both isn't ideal - Its happened multiple times before in the industry, It is happening now and will happen again in the future.
Each airline handles it in differently. Some airlines (United) handle it a lot better than others (NWA's pool flush)
2008 United pushes back a class and cancelled new hire classes. furloughs eventually followed. Those pilots received a letter they would remain in the pool for 1 year. (if you have a 2 week notice in call your current employer and cancel it. -it can be rescinded. Those separating from military or don't currently have a job to return to, start going hard at plan B C D etc. Obviously earning income and health insurance is important. But also be looking for a flying job. You need to keep current as possible. -and if this whole thing does lead to furloughs (and i'm not suggesting it will) at least you will have a head start on job search before before supply demand gets worse. Focussing back on United, The 1 year on the letter came and went. 5 years actually did. United did the right thing. When the time came, before hiring off the street resumed. Those effects pilots -class canceled were kept and began indoc and training and those in the pool were given a simple re-interview -basically make sure no recent skeletons had come up in 5 years. (Failed check rides, DUI, Brothel Running etc)
Getting your class delayed is a bummer. Getting it cancelled sucks. Getting furloughed really really really sucks. There is a lot of uncertainty right now. Control what you can control. There is a process to all this and for those of you in the pool at United there are people who have been in your shoes, made it thru, no regrets and happy to be there.
While getting your class pushed back, cancelled or both isn't ideal - Its happened multiple times before in the industry, It is happening now and will happen again in the future.
Each airline handles it in differently. Some airlines (United) handle it a lot better than others (NWA's pool flush)
2008 United pushes back a class and cancelled new hire classes. furloughs eventually followed. Those pilots received a letter they would remain in the pool for 1 year. (if you have a 2 week notice in call your current employer and cancel it. -it can be rescinded. Those separating from military or don't currently have a job to return to, start going hard at plan B C D etc. Obviously earning income and health insurance is important. But also be looking for a flying job. You need to keep current as possible. -and if this whole thing does lead to furloughs (and i'm not suggesting it will) at least you will have a head start on job search before before supply demand gets worse. Focussing back on United, The 1 year on the letter came and went. 5 years actually did. United did the right thing. When the time came, before hiring off the street resumed. Those effects pilots -class canceled were kept and began indoc and training and those in the pool were given a simple re-interview -basically make sure no recent skeletons had come up in 5 years. (Failed check rides, DUI, Brothel Running etc)
Getting your class delayed is a bummer. Getting it cancelled sucks. Getting furloughed really really really sucks. There is a lot of uncertainty right now. Control what you can control. There is a process to all this and for those of you in the pool at United there are people who have been in your shoes, made it thru, no regrets and happy to be there.
03-01-2020 | 12:27 PM
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I hope mother U will change her tune for these new hires as 3 days was a pretty $h1tty thing to do.
why don’t they postpone the new uniforms officially and save that money to hire these guys for even a few weeks and if things continue their present trajectory then furlough them at least they will be able to collect unemployment.
why don’t they postpone the new uniforms officially and save that money to hire these guys for even a few weeks and if things continue their present trajectory then furlough them at least they will be able to collect unemployment.
- This!!! The uniform can wait...
03-01-2020 | 01:09 PM
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