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Old 02-28-2020, 02:08 PM
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Originally Posted by C5Drvr View Post
Not if you are military facing retirement or separation. At least indoc comes with a seniority number.


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Okay, what’s your point, or what do you suggest should happen?


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Old 02-28-2020, 03:50 PM
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Originally Posted by C5Drvr View Post
On the street with a number is better than on the street without. Not much, but still better.


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I’d argue that it’s significantly better to be on the street with a number than without, especially as a guy in reserves/guard. Look at all the guys that were furloughed in the early 2000s who had their reserve gig to fall back on, defer recall for a decade, then come back with a military and maybe civil service pension, along with longevity at their airline. Those people all landed on their feet, to say the least.


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Old 02-28-2020, 04:15 PM
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This just in....verbiage changed from “regular new hire classes this spring” to “regular classes going into summer and beyond”.

From pilot hiring:

Thank you for your patience as we continue to communicate to you regarding upcoming class dates at United Airlines.

While we currently do not have confirmed class dates past March 3, we do anticipate regular classes going into summer and beyond. We are committed to keep you as informed as possible as we know you are eager to join the best airline with an extraordinary employee culture, global route network and fleet structure second to none.

As an airline flying the world with an expanding fleet structure, we have worked hard over the years to ensure we are prepared to withstand challenges such as the coronavirus and 737 MAX issues. Our widebody aircraft are being redeployed as we increase hub-to-hub and trans-con service to locations such like LAS, CUN, PHX and TPA. Additionally, for more than 93 years, the safety of our customers and employees at United has come first, which is why we are cooperating fully with the FAA’s independent review of the MAX aircraft. We will not put our customers and employees on the 737 MAX until regulators make their own independent assessment that it is safe to do so.

While you await a class date, we would like to share some information with you which continues to highlight United is the place to be!

We recently opened the newest extension to the Western Hemisphere’s largest flight training center, holding 8 sim bays, all of which will be occupied by April of this year. This will total 40 full motion sims with more planned in the future.
United continues to lead the charge with the most comprehensive global route network, including world-class international gateways with non-stop or one-stop service from virtually anywhere in the United States.
We have optimal hub locations, including hubs in the four largest cities in the United States. Additionally, we operate a fleet of 807 aircraft, with many of our aircraft being the most fuel-efficient among US carriers.
We were recently recognized as a Top 50 Workplace for 2019, placing United among the best and most innovative Fortune 500 when it comes to corporate culture and employee engagement.
We recently signed a purchase agreement to become the only major US carrier to own a flight training academy and announced an exciting pathway program to United Airlines called Aviate.

In 2019:
United set a new company record for most mainline departures, with nearly 800,000 departures.
We are number one in on-time departures at all hubs with direct competitors.
We launched 11 new international routes including direct flights from Newark Liberty International Airport to Cape Town, South Africa; Prague, Czech Republic and Naples, Italy.

We truly look forward to welcoming your family to ours. If we can be of further assistance, please do not hesitate to contact.......yadda yadda yadda.


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Old 02-28-2020, 04:22 PM
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Originally Posted by Triumph View Post
I’d argue that it’s significantly better to be on the street with a number than without, especially as a guy in reserves/guard. Look at all the guys that were furloughed in the early 2000s who had their reserve gig to fall back on, defer recall for a decade, then come back with a military and maybe civil service pension, along with longevity at their airline. Those people all landed on their feet, to say the least.


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Good for guard people. A little more stressful decision for regional or corporate people considering the jump who don't have an easy plan B in the event of furlough. That said, I think this will pass reasonably quickly but wow what a worldwide reaction in the mean time!

Would suggest a good sequence is: not on the street elsewhere > on street w/ # > on street w/out #
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Old 02-28-2020, 05:20 PM
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Originally Posted by Chuck D View Post
Good for guard people. A little more stressful decision for regional or corporate people considering the jump who don't have an easy plan B in the event of furlough. That said, I think this will pass reasonably quickly but wow what a worldwide reaction in the mean time!



Would suggest a good sequence is: not on the street elsewhere > on street w/ # > on street w/out #


I don’t disagree with any of what you said. My response was written as the result of a mil guy’s post. Not directed at a regional or corporate guy. That said, clearly the top choice would be a place where you aren’t laid off. Sadly, If this all continues for any extended period of time, the likelihood of finding employment that doesn’t involve a potential furlough will be extremely low.


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Old 02-29-2020, 07:43 AM
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Originally Posted by C5Drvr View Post
...At least indoc comes with a seniority number...
Not if there aren't any classes. You're in line, no one is getting in front of you. This happened in 2014 too. Long wait to start classes due to 737 training requirements. No one will get a seniority number ahead of you that isn't already slated to start before you.
Now as far as bad timing...I got a buddy in exact same shoes. Least you got hired. He's waiting to submit his app because he's worried he'll get a class assigned before his Apr terminal leave.
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Old 02-29-2020, 07:52 AM
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Originally Posted by C5Drvr View Post
On the street with a number is better than on the street without. Not much, but still better.


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you have a CJO from any of the majors? Is so, what are they telling you about classes?
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Old 02-29-2020, 01:23 PM
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Any truth to the rumor that the March 3rd class has been cancelled.
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Old 02-29-2020, 01:30 PM
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Any truth to the rumor that the March 3rd class has been cancelled.
it is still showing up on our internal list. So hopefully not.
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Old 02-29-2020, 01:36 PM
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It’s unfortunately true
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