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12-28-2023 | 04:07 PM

#3541

prex8390

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Originally Posted by C11DCA

We have 130+ narrowbody deliveries scheduled plus 8 or so 787's (back half of the year). Planned aircraft retirements are minimal. Add in roughly 400 pilot retirements and you get to that need for 2500.

DL hit peak retirement this year too. American and United still have like 4 more years until they are over that hump. At least let the numbers on this site.

12-28-2023 | 05:20 PM

#3542

hamsandwich

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Originally Posted by aviator1998

Whats the current timeline to hold DEN756? I've heard the flying is pretty bad and basically consists of redeye transcons or the unicorn Hawaii trip. How easy is it to trade into Hawaii flying for DEN pilots?

It’s mostly Hawaii flying with 7 hour unaugmented red eyes back from the islands. Some people like it, most do not.

12-28-2023 | 06:36 PM

#3543

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but that doesn't mean those other airline Airbus pilots won't be able to bid for Bus Captain once on the property. They just won't get it as their initial award.

...right after one year on property or more specifically off probation, so no different than last contract. Provided there are vacancies and why wouldn't there be......it's just not comparable to the guppy movement.
Notwithstanding much quicker movement than JetBlue and The Spirit for certain, and I would guess quicker than any other LCC Airbus player I'd imagine.

12-29-2023 | 12:08 PM

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aviator1998

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Originally Posted by MasterOfPuppets

if you got into this industry to be on a 4 day vacation every trip then yeah the DEN 756 flying is terrible. If you want to work very productive 2 and 3 day trips then the flying is great. You can get 16-17 days off easily.

The Hawaii flying is fun once your there but that redeye home is one of the worst in the system.

The red eyes can be avoided.

Thanks. Is the ~9 month timeline fairly accurate to get into DEN756 assuming no growth from current point?

12-29-2023 | 12:12 PM

#3545

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Every bid is different, and it depends on what other people want to do. The best answer is: May be sooner, may be later, but it depends on what happens going forward with vacancy bids. There isn't a definitive answer.

12-29-2023 | 03:04 PM

#3546

Swakid8

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Originally Posted by aviator1998

Thanks. Is the ~9 month timeline fairly accurate to get into DEN756 assuming no growth from current point?

No one will be able to provide a clear answer to your question.

The answer to the question folks can provide is how jr DEN 756 goes every vacancy bid.

How long to hold it has too many variables because one vacancy, the most jr guy might be able to hold it, the next bid, you might need 2 years or more to hold it. A lot depends on what folks senior to you want to do….

DEN 756 flying is nothing to write home about….

12-30-2023 | 09:46 AM

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Den 756 is a very small base. Far fewer than 100 FO's

The 9 month timeline looks -about- reasonable at present. As reasonable as any other number. But that small a base can swing hard one way or another just based on a few people's random life circumstances. Not to mention that 9 months ago and 9 months from now aren't in any way guaranteed to be similar.

What can be said is that both Den 737 and 320 FO are big and very junior at present and getting one of them (esp 737) quickly is a close to certain as you can predict.
Take one of those and sit tight til a 756 slot comes open.