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fadec 08-02-2018 06:05 AM


Originally Posted by Winston (Post 2646896)
The internal job fair announcement stated that the military day was for “veterans and those with a military flying background”.

Sounds like discrimination based on veteran status to me. What if United said the event was for "[protected class] and those with a [purpose] flying background." How is it okay to have a military-only event when veteran status is a protected class? Would it be okay to have a female-only or a gay-only event? Put it on the resume. Prepare to prove it?

fadec 08-02-2018 06:08 AM


Originally Posted by IrishNJ (Post 2645324)
8000 TT
1800 TPIC 121
4 Yr Degree
CFI etc but never LCA
12 years part 121

Got the invite, intend to go, however close to upgrade at a certain LCC that recently got a somewhat decent CBA.

Not sure what I want to do, based at home either way.

Stay where you are! You'll be an MCO 777 captain after the merger.

captsurf 08-02-2018 06:25 AM

United Airlines September Job Fair
 

Originally Posted by fadec (Post 2647488)
Sounds like discrimination based on veteran status to me. What if United said the event was for "[protected class] and those with a [purpose] flying background." How is it okay to have a military-only event when veteran status is a protected class? Would it be okay to have a female-only or a gay-only event? Put it on the resume. Prepare to prove it?

Not sure if trolling or serious.

FBO Bum 08-04-2018 12:56 PM

Coming in late to the thread. Glad I found it. I had no idea United was doing this and got the invite all the sudden one morning. I thought that it was a prank at first. Anyways, got my slot for the Civilian day.

I immediately hired Cage Consulting. They came highly recommended. This opportunity is totally worth the prep work.

5100 TT
3300 PIC
2600 Turbine
4 yr degree + almost done with Master
121 FO
121 Instructor
no LCA, CP, or management experience.
VERY LUCKY

Has United ever done something like this? Would this lead to the HOGAN and then later to Interview? Thanks for any info!!

BAe3100FO 08-04-2018 07:43 PM


Originally Posted by Rascal (Post 2646438)
I am getting closer to 40 and my chances of getting hired at United are dwindling

We had a 57 y/o dude and several early 50,late 40’s folks in my BI class. The age # isn’t going to keep UAL from hiring you.

BAe3100FO 08-04-2018 07:46 PM


Originally Posted by prplmnkydshwshr (Post 2646900)
Just wondering if any veterans who did not have a military flying background, but have done plenty of civilian flying since getting out, actually got the invite.

I was selected for the Veterans job fair back in 2016. I fully believe the interaction with BK during that time got me the hogan invite...and yes, I was prior enlisted.

FBO Bum 08-04-2018 08:23 PM

Who else is going to Civilian Expo on the 19?


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FODhopper 08-05-2018 04:03 AM

I'm going... Similar stats to you especially as it relates to instructor... Half the PIC... More TT and turbine and I am a CA within the last year. But based on some of the other civilian invites that have posted here a tier one candidate has about that with some other tangibles. I have approx four recs which gets you the max points in that area. I spent $$ on Cage two months ago to make sure my qualifications were presented properly and I think it made a difference as I had no idea this job fair was coming ... Also achieved 1000 TPIC recently.

wrxpilot 08-05-2018 05:31 AM


Originally Posted by BAe3100FO (Post 2649110)
We had a 57 y/o dude and several early 50,late 40’s folks in my BI class. The age # isn’t going to keep UAL from hiring you.

I received an offer at 40. That absolutely isn’t an issue. This isn’t Delta “Air Lines” after all.

spaaks 08-05-2018 04:35 PM


Originally Posted by Aquaticus (Post 2646873)
Be very careful taking advice from people that haven't interviewed in the last decade. They mean well and these HR/pilot recruiters really are friendly and welcoming but this isn't the same process that it was way back when. They are asking questions that they want you to answer in a certain way so that they can check the box and say "wow he obviously wants to be here because he not only answered it correctly but he took the time to learn our goofy system." It is 100% a game and you either play it or you don't.

You need to do prep to be on the same level as your competition. It is a small price to pay for the added confidence and knowing that you aren't making the recruiters ears bleed with your chuck yeager story about flying around a thunderstorm. It is insane not to do it. Emerald Coast does webinars where you get to watch other people and it will open your eyes to how much you suck. The recruiters will do a mini interview during these events. Tell us about yourself (2-4 min on you), a few TMAAT, and finally "why united"... it is the same thing that you will get during the real interview with the same people across the table. Answer the TMAAT in the STAR format and it helped me to always end each one with what you or your company took away from the event to check the box on the R. All these companies will get you there. Cage is thrown around a lot too. They will give you slightly conflicting gouge on how to answer certain things but if you get to that point you are well prepared and can probably not sweat the minutia. Dress to impress and don't ask questions answered with a simple google search. This job is worth the effort.

Very good advice

turbofan0507 08-09-2018 03:00 PM

Got the invite for 19th! Originally in my spam folder! Question: Should I have my app professionally reviewed by the likes of Cage, or Emerald or since I got the invite based on my app on file - leave it alone, just update? Do plan on interview prep if fortunate enough to get the interview nod!
Regional, LCA, 14K PIC, 45 YO

FBO Bum 08-09-2018 03:37 PM

Wow glad you found it! I hired Cage to have all my stuff reviewed and be ready for the interview. I’ve been updating and reviewed my app in airlineapps after getting the invite. Should’ve I not done that?!? I mean this isn’t the interview. Mainly I’ve updated dates and rewrote/cleaned the app up in general, nothing too crazy. I’m still waiting to do the app review with Cage (just waiting on them to settle on a date).

I talked to another UAL new hire, he mentioned that this should lead to a the HOGAN, then formal Interview. Not sure if y’all have found out the same or different info.




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Winston 08-09-2018 03:48 PM


Originally Posted by FBO Bum (Post 2652174)
I mean this isn’t the interview.

Step 1: Purge that characterization of the event immediately.
Step 2: Receive job offer to multi-million dollar career.

You’re welcome.

skythian 08-09-2018 04:22 PM

Is it possible to transfer an invitation to someone else, if the invitee has no intention of going? Has anyone tried this or attempted it?

AeroCrewSolut 08-09-2018 06:17 PM


Originally Posted by skythian (Post 2652203)
Is it possible to transfer an invitation to someone else, if the invitee has no intention of going? Has anyone tried this or attempted it?

Sorry but that is not allowed.

BobbyLeeSwagger 08-09-2018 06:23 PM


Originally Posted by AeroCrewSolut (Post 2652274)
Sorry but that is not allowed.

Can I buy it off him??? Or you?? Lol :D

FBO Bum 08-09-2018 07:18 PM


Originally Posted by Winston (Post 2652185)
Step 1: Purge that characterization of the event immediately.
Step 2: Receive job offer to multi-million dollar career.

You’re welcome.



Lol thanks Winston, that’s not what I meant but I’ll take the tip anyway! Hehe

Looking forward to receiving offer to multi-million dollar career.


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Winston 08-09-2018 08:11 PM


Originally Posted by FBO Bum (Post 2652330)
Lol thanks Winston, that’s not what I meant but I’ll take the tip anyway! Hehe

Looking forward to receiving offer to multi-million dollar career.

My point is: it’s ALL the interview. Every email you receive or send, every gate agent or F/A you interact with, the people at the hotel front desk.

Bad attitudes have a way of being identified and commented on to those who make those multi-million dollar decisions. Dress, act, and speak accordingly.

FBO Bum 08-09-2018 08:14 PM


Originally Posted by Winston (Post 2652353)
My point is: it’s ALL the interview. Every email you receive or send, every gate agent or F/A you interact with, the people at the hotel front desk.



Bad attitudes have a way of being identified and commented on to those who make those multi-million dollar decisions. Dress, act, and speak accordingly.



Now that’s an excellent tip. Well said. I couldn’t agree more!


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AFSOCFlyr 08-10-2018 10:39 AM

Job Fair related app question:

I had been advised multiple times to include my Other time in the Total Time calculation for each airframe on AirlineApps because "it is important that the math adds up on each page"..and that if United didn't want to count them (understandably so), they would subtract it from your total since the type of hours is laid out plainly.

I just found out that that may NOT be the case and I edited my app accordingly, but could this be a sore spot when it comes to the job fair and/or getting an interview invite? I only had ~250 Other hours which bumped my total down to ~3400TT (3300 mil turbine), but I'm more worried about having edited the app post job fair invite.

I know that the whole "Other" time debate is its own can of worms and I am not trying to open it.

Thanks

kbronc 08-10-2018 10:48 AM


Originally Posted by AFSOCFlyr (Post 2652638)
Job Fair related app question:

I had been advised multiple times to include my Other time in the Total Time calculation for each airframe on AirlineApps because "it is important that the math adds up on each page"..and that if United didn't want to count them (understandably so), they would subtract it from your total since the type of hours is laid out plainly.

I just found out that that may NOT be the case and I edited my app accordingly, but could this be a sore spot when it comes to the job fair and/or getting an interview invite? I only had ~250 Other hours which bumped my total down to ~3400TT (3300 mil turbine), but I'm more worried about having edited the app post job fair invite.

I know that the whole "Other" time debate is its own can of worms and I am not trying to open it.

Thanks

Im sending you a PM... fellow AFSOC guy

FBO Bum 08-10-2018 10:59 AM


Originally Posted by kbronc (Post 2652643)
Im sending you a PM... fellow AFSOC guy



I kind of have a similar question. For instance, I got the invite. Then I went through the app and made sure all dates, jobs, addresses where correct. I did find some errors but corrected them. I did not inflate/deflate the app however (i.e. added/removed positions, or Flt time). Just corrected for errors mainly. Would this be a problem?
Thanks!


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horrido27 08-10-2018 11:07 AM

We need more AFSOC guys on board!
Good Luck~
PM me if there are any questions you have, or if there is also anything I can do to help.

Always
Motch
(ex7th SOS LM)

kbronc 08-10-2018 11:11 AM


Originally Posted by FBO Bum (Post 2652649)
I kind of have a similar question. For instance, I got the invite. Then I went through the app and made sure all dates, jobs, addresses where correct. I did find some errors but corrected them. I did not inflate/deflate the app however (i.e. added/removed positions, or Flt time). Just corrected for errors mainly. Would this be a problem?
Thanks!


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My reply to the other person was speaking to other time, but since you asked... I would be careful on editing apps after invites. BK spoke about at a prior job conference how candidates were shown the door once they remembered to add speeding tickets or DUIs, etc. after invited to interview. Sounds like you were just cleaning things up, I will let experts chime in as I am far from one, just relaying what has been said at confereneces.

DawnPatrol 08-10-2018 03:58 PM

Experience Recommendations
 
My apologies if this is the wrong thread but looking for thoughts and insight from the group on next steps to make my flight experience more attractive to United.

Currently have the base minimums for United currently flying 135 on a Citation Excel. I have the opportunity to move to a much better paying Part 91/135 job on the same metal or go back to 121 on the Airbus with an ULCC. Have some 121 experience with a regional a few years back but no 121 TPIC.

Education - Master Degree, Military - No, Volunteer Work - Yes, Internal United Recommendations - 0, Job Fairs Attended - 0

pilotgolfer 08-10-2018 04:11 PM


Originally Posted by DawnPatrol (Post 2652814)
My apologies if this is the wrong thread but looking for thoughts and insight from the group on next steps to make my flight experience more attractive to United.

Currently have the base minimums for United currently flying 135 on a Citation Excel. I have the opportunity to move to a much better paying Part 91/135 job on the same metal or go back to 121 on the Airbus with an ULCC. Have some 121 experience with a regional a few years back but no 121 TPIC.

Education - Master Degree, Military - No, Volunteer Work - Yes, Internal United Recommendations - 0, Job Fairs Attended - 0

I would take a job that makes you happy, pays more or makes your life easier. (Hopefully all the above). Are you flying as PIC now? Can you go to a job fair in the future? Have you flown with anybody who flies now at United?

Don’t uproot your life hoping United will call. Live your life and be happy if they call.

SuperAerobat 08-11-2018 10:45 PM

Congratulations to all of those who received an invite! Wishing you all the best of luck in your pursuit of slots at United. Although I did not end up not being part of the 300 civilian invites, I did take the time to make sure I was prepared in case an email did pop up in my inbox. I made a hotel reservation at the Hilton Double Tree in Denver, across from the United Training Center for September 18th and 19th. I'm not sure what the availability of rooms are looking like for the event, but if they are sold out and anyone is interested in taking my reservation, send me a private message. Hopefully I can simply transfer the reservation over to one of you. I'll check my messages on here periodically. If the room has been taken, I'll try to reply to every inquiry letting you all know it's gone. That will hopefully help ensure that you all who message me (after the room has been released) still have time to secure alternate accommodations.

Once again, good luck to you all!

F15andMD11 08-12-2018 02:56 AM


Originally Posted by AFSOCFlyr (Post 2652638)
Job Fair related app question:

I had been advised multiple times to include my Other time in the Total Time calculation for each airframe on AirlineApps because "it is important that the math adds up on each page"..and that if United didn't want to count them (understandably so), they would subtract it from your total since the type of hours is laid out plainly.

I just found out that that may NOT be the case and I edited my app accordingly, but could this be a sore spot when it comes to the job fair and/or getting an interview invite? I only had ~250 Other hours which bumped my total down to ~3400TT (3300 mil turbine), but I'm more worried about having edited the app post job fair invite.

I know that the whole "Other" time debate is its own can of worms and I am not trying to open it.

Thanks

I did not include other time in my app. But I didn't have anything close to what you have. I made a spreadsheet that showed the numbers from my flight history with the other time removed. The number on the spreadsheet matched my log book and application. Its a PITA but I got zero questions about it in the interview.

Winston 08-12-2018 08:33 AM

FWIW, all hope should not be lost for those who did not get a job fair invite: a friend who did not make the cut for a job fair invite just received a Hogan link email a few days ago.

I can’t wrap my head around that one, but there it is.

ReadyRsv 08-12-2018 08:49 AM


Originally Posted by Winston (Post 2653710)
FWIW, all hope should not be lost for those who did not get a job fair invite: a friend who did not make the cut for a job fair invite just received a Hogan link email a few days ago.

I can’t wrap my head around that one, but there it is.

United is hiring like crazy. They need people today AND tomorrow!

Squallrider 08-12-2018 09:47 AM

So any word if this should / could /anything towards interview? I noticed on airline apps they now track job fairs in the addendum section. I realize it doesn’t guarantee a interview but surely must be a good sign if they did in fact review applications.

BobbyLeeSwagger 08-12-2018 10:52 AM


Originally Posted by Winston (Post 2653710)
FWIW, all hope should not be lost for those who did not get a job fair invite: a friend who did not make the cut for a job fair invite just received a Hogan link email a few days ago.

I can’t wrap my head around that one, but there it is.

Good to hear, thanks!

GoCats67 08-12-2018 12:28 PM


Originally Posted by Winston (Post 2653710)
FWIW, all hope should not be lost for those who did not get a job fair invite: a friend who did not make the cut for a job fair invite just received a Hogan link email a few days ago.

I can’t wrap my head around that one, but there it is.

I don't have any inside info, but perhaps they didn't send invites to the fair to those applicants that were already on the very top of the list, since they knew they would be inviting them to take the Hogan before the Job Fair would take place.

BobbyLeeSwagger 08-12-2018 01:04 PM


Originally Posted by GoCats67 (Post 2653847)
I don't have any inside info, but perhaps they didn't send invites to the fair to those applicants that were already on the very top of the list, since they knew they would be inviting them to take the Hogan before the Job Fair would take place.

That would make a ton of sense. Also would make sense to have some registration process to make sure on the front end the people you are scoring have a stated in interest in going.

ReadyRsv 08-12-2018 02:30 PM


Originally Posted by BobbyLeeSwagger (Post 2653874)
That would make a ton of sense. Also would make sense to have some registration process to make sure on the front end the people you are scoring have a stated in interest in going.

So you are saying that these people with applications in at United don't want to go to a United recruiting event?

AFSOCFlyr 08-12-2018 04:20 PM


Originally Posted by Squallrider (Post 2653749)
So any word if this should / could /anything towards interview? I noticed on airline apps they now track job fairs in the addendum section. I realize it doesn’t guarantee a interview but surely must be a good sign if they did in fact review applications.


Thanks for pointing that out, I hadn't noticed that. How recently did they add that section?

BobbyLeeSwagger 08-12-2018 04:37 PM


Originally Posted by ReadyRsv (Post 2653916)
So you are saying that these people with applications in at United don't want to go to a United recruiting event?

Well I was just thinking maybe they still have an app but aren't in the hunt anymore or have schedules cleared for it.. or dont even know about it because they are not really following it and trying to be there etc.. if you had some basic registration like everyone else.. then you would know who really wants to be there and has an app on file. But, I'm not in charge, just another hopeful. They can do it however they want.

ReadyRsv 08-12-2018 05:43 PM

I would reply that if 75 guys out of their 'top 300' don't want to go that makes deciding on the other 225 easier! :)

Squallrider 08-12-2018 06:42 PM


Originally Posted by AFSOCFlyr (Post 2653981)
Thanks for pointing that out, I hadn't noticed that. How recently did they add that section?

Idk I just noticed it myself when I was reviewing my app for the job fair. I think it’s pretty recent tho

JetDoc 08-13-2018 08:20 AM


Originally Posted by AFSOCFlyr (Post 2653981)
Thanks for pointing that out, I hadn't noticed that. How recently did they add that section?

Must have added it around the 1st of August. I last updated my app the end of July and it was not there at that time.


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