UPA amendable date!
02-06-2019, 08:10 AM
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I don't think they are used either, at least not from the articles I've seen. Bombardier must be offering a good deal on these and the bean counters project enough premium revenue to offset acquisition costs.
Probably a less than 5 year experiment that will result in "retrofitting" them to 66 seats like the CRJ 700.
Probably a less than 5 year experiment that will result in "retrofitting" them to 66 seats like the CRJ 700.
02-06-2019, 08:13 AM
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Originally Posted by Rolan75
I don't think they are used either, at least not from the articles I've seen. Bombardier must be offering a good deal on these and the bean counters project enough premium revenue to offset acquisition costs.
Probably a less than 5 year experiment that will result in "retrofitting" them to 66 seats like the CRJ 700.
Probably a less than 5 year experiment that will result in "retrofitting" them to 66 seats like the CRJ 700.
02-06-2019, 08:35 AM
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- GoJet Airlines signed a Letter of Intent with United; 10 year contract, 50 CRJ-550’s.
- 18 feet longer than any other 50-seater, adds WiFi, Snack/Beverage station (self-serve for First Class).
- Only for United flying / No Delta.
- “Will need to add a lot of pilots to the team”
- Only 1 Flight Attendant
- ORD, EWR, possibly DEN and New York in future
- Expect 47-48 lines of flying with 2-3 spares (TBD).
- Bombardier considers it a “CL-65” – no new type rating for pilots, but expect differences training similar to when they added the CRJ-900
- Union negotiations started yesterday discussing pay regarding 50-seater
- Over ˝ our current First Officers are already eligible to upgrade to Captain and they need those to be willing to do so…
- Still doing Direct Entry Captain program, but would love not to (i.e. FO’s need to upgrade internally)
- Starting a new “Near Entry Captain” program next week to entice other company F.O.’s to a quick upgrade at GoJet Airlines
- As United adds the E-175 to ExpressJet, they must ground a CRJ-700… hence GoJet grounds a 700 at 1-for-1 pace to the E-175 addition at ExpressJet, and expects to add the CRJ-550 at the same pace or possibly even quicker.
- Actively working toward a United Flow / Pathway Program / CPP…
- Expect Mid-June is the earliest for first CRJ-550. Mid-summer likely.
- Captain Bonuses? – Will look at readdressing them, however acknowledges GoJet Airlines is a stepping stone and cannot compete with the mainline “dreams” and most pilots are not targeting GoJet as their final resting place, hence with limited funds are only looking to compete well on pay scale. Says we compete well with SkyWest and Republic and honestly with those limited funds, can’t afford to pay extra bonuses. But will re-address.
- 18 feet longer than any other 50-seater, adds WiFi, Snack/Beverage station (self-serve for First Class).
- Only for United flying / No Delta.
- “Will need to add a lot of pilots to the team”
- Only 1 Flight Attendant
- ORD, EWR, possibly DEN and New York in future
- Expect 47-48 lines of flying with 2-3 spares (TBD).
- Bombardier considers it a “CL-65” – no new type rating for pilots, but expect differences training similar to when they added the CRJ-900
- Union negotiations started yesterday discussing pay regarding 50-seater
- Over ˝ our current First Officers are already eligible to upgrade to Captain and they need those to be willing to do so…
- Still doing Direct Entry Captain program, but would love not to (i.e. FO’s need to upgrade internally)
- Starting a new “Near Entry Captain” program next week to entice other company F.O.’s to a quick upgrade at GoJet Airlines
- As United adds the E-175 to ExpressJet, they must ground a CRJ-700… hence GoJet grounds a 700 at 1-for-1 pace to the E-175 addition at ExpressJet, and expects to add the CRJ-550 at the same pace or possibly even quicker.
- Actively working toward a United Flow / Pathway Program / CPP…
- Expect Mid-June is the earliest for first CRJ-550. Mid-summer likely.
- Captain Bonuses? – Will look at readdressing them, however acknowledges GoJet Airlines is a stepping stone and cannot compete with the mainline “dreams” and most pilots are not targeting GoJet as their final resting place, hence with limited funds are only looking to compete well on pay scale. Says we compete well with SkyWest and Republic and honestly with those limited funds, can’t afford to pay extra bonuses. But will re-address.
02-06-2019, 10:41 AM
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Originally Posted by Half wing
You know these are not new frames right? They are converting their old CRJ-700’s(still a fair amount of life on them). It is a desperate move in my opinion. From a passenger standpoint it will be about the nicest 50 seater ever. From a company standpoint, it is the most expensive 50 seater ever. UA must be flush with cash. “Let’s turn our old 70 seaters into 50 seaters so we can get more new 70 seaters(EMB-175’s).” Kirby is probably thinking if we cave on scope they can convert them back to 70 seaters. Obviously ain’t happening.
Originally Posted by Flytolive
I didn't realize these were used aircraft. I agree that this makes them look even more desperate although it is probably more cost effective. Thanks for clearing that up.
Originally Posted by cadetdrivr
You sure about that?
FWIW,
Bombardier Launches New Innovative 50-Seater Aircraft (Bombardier Press Release)
FWIW,
Bombardier Launches New Innovative 50-Seater Aircraft (Bombardier Press Release)
Originally Posted by Ni hao
- GoJet Airlines signed a Letter of Intent with United; 10 year contract, 50 CRJ-550’s.
- 18 feet longer than any other 50-seater, adds WiFi, Snack/Beverage station (self-serve for First Class).
- Only for United flying / No Delta.
- “Will need to add a lot of pilots to the team”
- Only 1 Flight Attendant
- ORD, EWR, possibly DEN and New York in future
- Expect 47-48 lines of flying with 2-3 spares (TBD).
- Bombardier considers it a “CL-65” – no new type rating for pilots, but expect differences training similar to when they added the CRJ-900
- Union negotiations started yesterday discussing pay regarding 50-seater
- Over ˝ our current First Officers are already eligible to upgrade to Captain and they need those to be willing to do so…
- Still doing Direct Entry Captain program, but would love not to (i.e. FO’s need to upgrade internally)
- Starting a new “Near Entry Captain” program next week to entice other company F.O.’s to a quick upgrade at GoJet Airlines
- As United adds the E-175 to ExpressJet, they must ground a CRJ-700… hence GoJet grounds a 700 at 1-for-1 pace to the E-175 addition at ExpressJet, and expects to add the CRJ-550 at the same pace or possibly even quicker.
- Actively working toward a United Flow / Pathway Program / CPP…
- Expect Mid-June is the earliest for first CRJ-550. Mid-summer likely.
- Captain Bonuses? – Will look at readdressing them, however acknowledges GoJet Airlines is a stepping stone and cannot compete with the mainline “dreams” and most pilots are not targeting GoJet as their final resting place, hence with limited funds are only looking to compete well on pay scale. Says we compete well with SkyWest and Republic and honestly with those limited funds, can’t afford to pay extra bonuses. But will re-address.
- 18 feet longer than any other 50-seater, adds WiFi, Snack/Beverage station (self-serve for First Class).
- Only for United flying / No Delta.
- “Will need to add a lot of pilots to the team”
- Only 1 Flight Attendant
- ORD, EWR, possibly DEN and New York in future
- Expect 47-48 lines of flying with 2-3 spares (TBD).
- Bombardier considers it a “CL-65” – no new type rating for pilots, but expect differences training similar to when they added the CRJ-900
- Union negotiations started yesterday discussing pay regarding 50-seater
- Over ˝ our current First Officers are already eligible to upgrade to Captain and they need those to be willing to do so…
- Still doing Direct Entry Captain program, but would love not to (i.e. FO’s need to upgrade internally)
- Starting a new “Near Entry Captain” program next week to entice other company F.O.’s to a quick upgrade at GoJet Airlines
- As United adds the E-175 to ExpressJet, they must ground a CRJ-700… hence GoJet grounds a 700 at 1-for-1 pace to the E-175 addition at ExpressJet, and expects to add the CRJ-550 at the same pace or possibly even quicker.
- Actively working toward a United Flow / Pathway Program / CPP…
- Expect Mid-June is the earliest for first CRJ-550. Mid-summer likely.
- Captain Bonuses? – Will look at readdressing them, however acknowledges GoJet Airlines is a stepping stone and cannot compete with the mainline “dreams” and most pilots are not targeting GoJet as their final resting place, hence with limited funds are only looking to compete well on pay scale. Says we compete well with SkyWest and Republic and honestly with those limited funds, can’t afford to pay extra bonuses. But will re-address.
Maybe i'm in the minority, but I think the CRJ550 is actually a good idea (in limited quantity) because of all the premium seating. United could run one of these every hour or increase frequency between mainline flights between IAD/ORD/EWR & BOS/DCA (or any popular business route).
From the points guy article:
So far, the airline only confirmed that it’ll fly between Chicago (ORD) and Walmart’s headquarters in Bentonville, Arkansas (XNA). United is apparently losing out on business from Walmart employees and suppliers looking to fly in premium cabins — with more first-class seats on the way, XNA flyers will have an easier time booking premium-cabin United travel between Arkansas and Asia.
And the proof I can find so far they're used:
With 50 CRJ550s already ordered, and the potential to add more later, we’ll see them on many more routes out of Chicago, in addition to regional flights from other United hubs, including Newark (EWR) on the East Coast. Pending government approval, United’s regional jet operator GoJet is expected to begin flying the 550 by the second half of this year.
If you think Bombardier can certify, build, and deliver a brand new airplane in less than a year, i've got some oceanfront property in Nebraska for you :-)
https://thepointsguy.com/news/united-crj550/
Last edited by spaaks; 02-06-2019 at 11:00 AM.
02-06-2019, 05:55 PM
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https://www.flightglobal.com/news/ar...s-crj5-455565/
“The CRJ700 airframes will be sourced from United's existing regional fleet, including 25 already operated by GoJet, United says.”
“The CRJ700 airframes will be sourced from United's existing regional fleet, including 25 already operated by GoJet, United says.”
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