PDRit

Well when the market turns the company loses money. They continue to fill the pie even when they have loses unless the events of say another 9/11 trigger the mass contract gives like we saw once before.

I’m not a defeatist I am a realist and if you think there isn’t X amount of dollars that are available then you have an extreme level of lack of knowledge. Based on many of your previous post I don’t believe you to the the paragon of business acumen.

Floyd

You equate that to buying planes? More like buying mansions. It certainly was interesting to watch the flow of money as we were giving them well north of a billion. Shared sacrifice was the term of the day. Excuse the.... out of me for wanting some of that back.

They can buy all the shiny new jets they want. They don't need me to subsidize it. The lenders will be more than happy if an appropriate rate of return can shown.

Floyd

Of course there's only X amount of dollars available. The issue arises when their max offer is Y. It's that delta, not the dot. that I want.

Floyd

Placing the 787 on the 767 routes would have been an inefficient use of capital. Then what do you do with the 767s sitting around? All of that would have cost $$. Furlough protections are worth the paper they are written on. The furloughees would have gotten their credit including retro.

I'm not saying the extension wasn't beneficial. It was a roll of the dice.

757Driver

I’ll ask you again, how on earth can you be sure that we’re leading anything? That’s great that our MEC is lockstep with each other but that doesn’t translate into anything other than camaraderie and not an industry leading CBA. We’ve been coatailing for a while now and I hope you’re correct but there’s nothing tangible that backs up your claim.

757Driver

Yeah yeah, one of the pie is only so big guys guys that management just salivates over. Any chance that you’ve applied for a recently vacated FODM position?

Hoping you never have anything to do with our upcoming contract talks as your bar lowering comments terrify me.

PDRit

Why does someone that has an understanding of how businesses operate have to be a “management guy”? I’m not seeking to lower the bar. But you are the same guy that professes great knowledge on every issue while stepping on your crank on a regular basis. I’m not privy to any information other than a business can only sustain certain cost. We saw that with our C2K. It was doomed on signing day as the corporation didn’t make the money to pay what was promised.

You are the same guy that denigrated new hires. You should ask some of those double furloughees what life was like when they didn’t have this job. Maybe some realism on what the rest of the world goes through in their jobs might help with some perspective. I would always want more money and better quality of life but I need a healthy corporation to provide that. I will trust our negotiation team can find that balance and keep yahoos with bravado and nonsense on the sideline.

Since you had to insult me...are you throwing in your desire for some embroidery wings on the new uniforms?

757Driver

News flash, your airline was going to file Chap 11 regardless of what they paid the rank and file. Mismanaged disaster, period and your wages had nothing to do with it. I know you’ll never buy that but sadly that’s how it was.

So much for your business savvy and no, embroidered wings were lame.

spaaks

Gotta give Kirby credit for thinking outside the box. Put 50 seats in a CRJ700, scope problem solved & a better product than a CrJ200 & e145. And if UALPA caves on scope, put 70 seats back in them overnight and pull crj200’s back from the desert.


https://www.reuters.com/article/us-u...-idUSKCN1PV0BF

United to add premium seats on regional and mainline jets
Tracy Rucinski
CHICAGO (Reuters) - United Airlines said on Wednesday it was adding 1,600 premium seats to nearly 250 international and domestic aircraft, including the introduction of a first-class cabin on 50 Bombardier Inc regional jets.

FILE PHOTO: A United Airlines Boeing 767-300ER aircraft takes off from Zurich Airport January 9, 2018. REUTERS/Arnd Wiegmann/File Photo
The move is part of a push by large U.S. airlines to attract more lucrative premium travelers. Rivals Delta Air Lines Inc and American Airlines Group Inc have also added premium seats, which can fetch at least twice the coach fare.

United’s new regional jet, called the CRJ 550, will be the only 50-seater on the market to offer a first class cabin, the Chicago-based airline said, providing premium travel on connecting flights from small U.S. cities to the rest of the world.

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Under the plan, United will work with Bombardier to use the frame of its current CRJ 70-seat fleet for a new two-cabin, 50-seat configuration with a self-serve beverage and snack station for premium travelers and four storage closets for carry-on bags.

The CRJ 550s will eventually replace United’s current 50-seat regional fleet with a model permitted under its pilots’ contract, which became amenable in January.

While not generating new orders for cash-strapped Bombardier, United’s plan would allow the Canadian plane and train maker to market the new model to other U.S. airlines looking to replace aging regional jets. Bombardier aims to take a decision on its money-losing CRJ regional jet program this year.


On United’s mainline fleet, there will be 50 percent more premium seating on its Boeing 767-300ERs and Airbus A319s, and 33 percent more on its A320s. Following the changes, United will have a total of 167 seats on the 767-300ER, 126 seats on the A319 and 150 on the A320.

Andrew Nocella, chief commercial officer for United, told reporters that “in an era where many airlines are adding seats to the aircraft to crowd more passengers onto the plane,” United is “doing exactly the opposite.”

United said it plans to complete the changes by the end of next year, with the first reconfigured 767 flying between Newark and London.

The new CRJ 550 will be operated by United’s regional partner GoJet out of Chicago and Newark, pending a final agreement and government certification.


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Nocella said United’s overall coach footprint would continue to grow despite the new seating configurations thanks to the introduction of larger aircraft like the Boeing 787 to its fleet.

Sunvox

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