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Old 02-05-2019 | 04:27 AM
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4% raise for 2019 thanks to the extension. I'm good for a year. Let the scope choke turn em blue.
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Old 02-05-2019 | 04:36 AM
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Originally Posted by guppie
4% raise for 2019 thanks to the extension. I'm good for a year. Let the scope choke turn em blue.
Exactly. I'm enjoying that contract extension pay raise almost as much as my 3 for 1 trip rig.
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Old 02-05-2019 | 04:44 AM
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Exactly. I'm enjoying that contract extension pay raise almost as much as my 3 for 1 trip rig.
Did trip rig change when I wasn’t looking?
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Old 02-05-2019 | 05:03 AM
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Did trip rig change when I wasn’t looking?
No it did not.
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Old 02-05-2019 | 05:38 AM
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Originally Posted by Floyd
Exactly. I'm enjoying that contract extension pay raise almost as much as my 3 for 1 trip rig.
Nice sarcasm. 1 for 3 would be incredible, seeing as how nobody has it. Our current trip rig is 1 for 3.5... Just like AA, DL, AK, and JB. Page 24...

http://www.alpa.org/ual/-/media/UAL/...ison-guide.pdf
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Old 02-05-2019 | 06:23 AM
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Originally Posted by Floyd
Thanks! According to that logic, once every contract is the same no one can improve their standing. I guess a 3:1 trip rig is just as much a pipe dream as $300/hr narrowbody captain rates because no one pays that. How bout a round of national me too clauses, turn off the negotiating lights, and call it a day.
Was just thinking the same thing. Not sure how this toxic thinking has permeated our ranks, but it’s all too common. At some point, somebody has to be the first to break through the previous pay, work rules etc to lead the pack. If not, we’d never have successful pattern bargaining. It’s kinda like the ridiculous “pie is only x” and we have to decide how to divide it cuz that’s what management told us! Ummmm, nooooo. You need to EXPAND the pie👍👍👍
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Old 02-05-2019 | 06:24 AM
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Originally Posted by guppie
Nice sarcasm. 1 for 3 would be incredible, seeing as how nobody has it. Our current trip rig is 1 for 3.5... Just like AA, DL, AK, and JB. Page 24...

http://www.alpa.org/ual/-/media/UAL/...ison-guide.pdf
I'm sure the company enjoys that cheap extension as well, including our 3.5:1 rig.
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Old 02-05-2019 | 06:28 AM
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Originally Posted by Guppydriver95
Was just thinking the same thing. Not sure how this toxic thinking has permeated our ranks, but it’s all too common. At some point, somebody has to be the first to break through the previous pay, work rules etc to lead the pack. If not, we’d never have successful pattern bargaining. It’s kinda like the ridiculous “pie is only x” and we have to decide how to divide it cuz that’s what management told us! Ummmm, nooooo. You need to EXPAND the pie👍👍👍
Me thinks you're an angry legacy pilot. Get with the program you old codger.
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Old 02-05-2019 | 06:39 AM
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Originally Posted by Guppydriver95
Was just thinking the same thing. Not sure how this toxic thinking has permeated our ranks, but it’s all too common. At some point, somebody has to be the first to break through the previous pay, work rules etc to lead the pack. If not, we’d never have successful pattern bargaining. It’s kinda like the ridiculous “pie is only x” and we have to decide how to divide it cuz that’s what management told us! Ummmm, nooooo. You need to EXPAND the pie👍👍👍
I would argue we've (ALPA) had incredibly successful pattern bargaining since the 2010 Delta contract. Expanding pay rates, trip rig, vacation, and training value. I expect that to continue.
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Old 02-05-2019 | 06:42 AM
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Originally Posted by Floyd
Thanks! According to that logic, once every contract is the same no one can improve their standing. I guess a 3:1 trip rig is just as much a pipe dream as $300/hr narrowbody captain rates because no one pays that. How bout a round of national me too clauses, turn off the negotiating lights, and call it a day.
Originally Posted by Guppydriver95
Was just thinking the same thing. Not sure how this toxic thinking has permeated our ranks, but it’s all too common. At some point, somebody has to be the first to break through the previous pay, work rules etc to lead the pack. If not, we’d never have successful pattern bargaining. It’s kinda like the ridiculous “pie is only x” and we have to decide how to divide it cuz that’s what management told us! Ummmm, nooooo. You need to EXPAND the pie������
Amen gentlemen. We're so busy salivating over what Delta will do next while we hide in the corner so we can "me too" ourselves into the stratosphere.

Guess we're just too timid or stupid to the lead the industry under our own steam.

Go Delta !!
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