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07-06-2019 | 03:21 PM

#11

cal73

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1.You can’t lose at this point.
2.Enjoy your career.
3.Profit

07-06-2019 | 03:57 PM

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AA guy here, who used to live in Vegas. Everybody here has made great points and you seem very informed. Only thing I’ll add is that we have the JV with Qantas kicking off soon, which I believe will add some more Australian flying to LAX, which will definitely increase our wide body flying out there, but I’m just speculating. Congrats and good luck.

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07-06-2019 | 05:35 PM

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Setopbug

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I've seen LAX 756 new hires at UAL.

You're probably not going to be a widebody Captain at either airline with less than a 20-25 year career.

I'd put my retirement account up against Oscar Munoz doing a better job than Doug Parker.

Great people and airplanes at both, you can't go wrong.

Congrats on the CJO, I'll see you in LAX.

07-06-2019 | 06:25 PM

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Rodan

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Quote:

Originally Posted by 82spukram

So some easy numbers

At UAL approximate timelines:

LAX: NBFO... newhire or first BiD
756 FO: about 6 months
787FO: 5 years (that’s an assumption that might not hold true)

NBCA: 2025
756 CA:2029
787 CA: sorry not going to happen you will retire around 4000

SFO WB FO in 2023
EWR WB CA in 2038 (you might not be around for it. I just choose somebody in the bottom hundred with your approximate birth year......good luck

Thanks for the great info. For comparison, what would SFO look like for 756 FO, NBCA?

07-06-2019 | 07:52 PM

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baseball

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It hasn't been mentioned, but one might consider how the pilots are feeling at AA. What's the mood on the line? A while back, 2 years ago or so had an AA guy on the jump seat. Seemed pretty sour. I am sure the contract has allot to do with that, but may also be management's approach with labor overall.... Just curious.

07-06-2019 | 08:57 PM

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I say there’s a slight chance of you making Widebody Captain. On the last bid the most Junior awarded Widebody Captain was a 3319 number, if you’ll retire within 4,000 numbers and everything remains steady you’ll have a shot. We have a lot of guys passing on Left seat Widebody because RESERVE SUCKS, which will increase your chance of Heavy Left Seat 😁.

07-07-2019 | 03:52 AM

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Originally Posted by 82spukram

And with these numbers you would be commuting to reserve for a huge portion of your career. Most commuting folks I know and fly with are bypassing upgrades until they can solidly hold a line. The people taking early upgrades all live in their base. Commuting to reserve at UAL is awful.

07-07-2019 | 06:30 AM

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Floyd

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Originally Posted by FlewNavy

"A huge portion of your career"? I think not. He'll probably hold a line with six months and barring a huge downturn, reserve would be his choice. Stay on the Guppy until he can a hold a line or better on the next plane up. How difficult can that be?

07-07-2019 | 06:47 AM

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Mudge

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Quote:

Originally Posted by FlewNavy

Commuting to reserve at UAL is awful.

Can confirm.

07-07-2019 | 06:54 AM

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Originally Posted by baseball

I think a lot of it depends on the equipment/base, but while we’re not happy with the lagging contract and we’re not a well run airline, overall it’s a good pilot group. We’ll ***** and moan like anyone else, but at least in NYC I really enjoy the people I work with, and I still enjoy coming into work. Words like ‘toxic’ get thrown around on APC, but while bouncing around the system I’m simply not seeing it. Maybe a couple guys here and there (especially ex-TWA, who seem to always be getting the shaft), but I wouldn’t let it sway a decision one way or the other. Morale is always affected by contract negotiations, and in a 20+ year career you’re be going through it multiple times regardless of who you fly for.