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Old 12-11-2019 | 01:23 PM
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Originally Posted by cadetdrivr
FWIW, the problem is not flying to LIH, instead it's returning as the longest runway is 6500'.
Get it, flown in there a lot. Ask Airbus how far it’ll go with a full load.
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Old 12-11-2019 | 01:43 PM
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Originally Posted by Grumble
Get it, flown in there a lot. Ask Airbus how far it’ll go with a full load.
I’m sure it will do great with a 10000ft runway. Sadly, I think you’d have to leave half the people behind flying from LIH to DEN.
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Old 12-11-2019 | 05:24 PM
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I have an Hawaiian Airlines Dispatcher sitting next to me. Their 321 is so limited by ETOPS fuel requirements that they are payload limited on just about every flight across the Pacific. The airplane is forced to fly in the high 20's and low 30's not because of lack of power but because the wing can't handle the weight. Their coffin corner is really low at high weights.

With two tail strikes within the first couple of years and maintenance cancellations 3 times that of a B737, they can't wait to get their new B787's.

Fly Safe
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Old 12-11-2019 | 09:03 PM
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Originally Posted by Pass it on
I have an Hawaiian Airlines Dispatcher sitting next to me. Their 321 is so limited by ETOPS fuel requirements that they are payload limited on just about every flight across the Pacific. The airplane is forced to fly in the high 20's and low 30's not because of lack of power but because the wing can't handle the weight. Their coffin corner is really low at high weights.

With two tail strikes within the first couple of years and maintenance cancellations 3 times that of a B737, they can't wait to get their new B787's.

Fly Safe
I'm sure the A321XLR (Max) will be much better...
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Old 12-11-2019 | 09:22 PM
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Originally Posted by Dave Fitzgerald
I'm sure the A321XLR (Max) will be much better...
Not sure if that’s sarcasm, but the XLR is the same wing and same engines (basically) just carries more fuel and a higher gross weight if I’m not mistaken.
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Old 12-12-2019 | 08:07 AM
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Originally Posted by s3cLyfe
Not sure if that’s sarcasm, but the XLR is the same wing and same engines (basically) just carries more fuel and a higher gross weight if I’m not mistaken.
Yes, grasshopper, sarcasm. Guppious maximus disease, same wing, higher weights.
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Old 12-12-2019 | 08:11 AM
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Originally Posted by Pass it on
I have an Hawaiian Airlines Dispatcher sitting next to me. Their 321 is so limited by ETOPS fuel requirements that they are payload limited on just about every flight across the Pacific. The airplane is forced to fly in the high 20's and low 30's not because of lack of power but because the wing can't handle the weight. Their coffin corner is really low at high weights.

With two tail strikes within the first couple of years and maintenance cancellations 3 times that of a B737, they can't wait to get their new B787's.

Fly Safe
321CEO or NEO?
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Old 12-12-2019 | 08:57 AM
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Originally Posted by Grumble
321CEO or NEO?
Hawaiian has A321 NEOs.

In theory, the XLR should do slightly better because its integrated aft tank is lighter than the equivalent modular tanks mounted in the other NEOs.

But the fundamental problem remains: the XLR uses the same wing.
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Old 12-12-2019 | 09:50 AM
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Well below 280 you won’t be on the tracks and there is less radiation down low .... so there is that
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Old 12-12-2019 | 12:36 PM
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Originally Posted by blockplus
Well below 280 you won’t be on the tracks and there is less radiation down low .... so there is that
It'll be down there with all the Guppy traffic.
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