You’re absolutely right that not all Aviate people are created equal. Lots of people spent the lost decade in regional purgatory and have more than paid their dues. Still, I don’t ever see United issuing seniority numbers to people until they are employed by United. Until that day, people just work for someone else.

unfortunately I’m at a non UAX carrier but do have my app in with United. All the buzz with hiring going on there is interesting. I have a few friends in the program and hear a lot through them. I wish I could have become a petroleum engineer $$$

Two month check-in.
Great news, classes are being filled through July. That’s more than 10 Classes since the first class May 11th. That’s better than anyone thought possible when 2021 started!
Now that there are 10+ classes on the books, have ANY Aviate candidates outside of the CPP been invited to class yet?
I am still trying to gauge whether I should recommend this program, or just recommend waiting for the off-the-street interview.

Future of Aviate
 

They are still taking the CPP folks as they made up top 20% of the list. There should be Aviate people moving soon. Our CP said they are expecting to run out of candidates who meet all of the qualifications by the end of the year, no matter what program they are in.


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Some numbers from Mesa.

As of April 2020 there were a total of 90 Aviate participants. 4 of them are CPP which made up the 1st decile. I know for certain 3 of them were in the June class 10 days ago. Looking at the roster (published June 13) all participants in 2nd decile and 3rd are still it. If they've received a July class they might not have given 2 weeks notice yet...go figure

That’s good information. Thank you.
I don’t think any Aviate people (outside the CPP) have received class dates yet from any of the regionals. It makes sense that off-the-street hires would be prioritized over the Aviate candidates, since they need the regional pilots to stay at their regionals for the summer. It definitely seems that getting the off-the-street interview will get you to United much more quickly.
Thanks again for the information.

I think it’s more that the CPP people are first on the list, and they are still working their way through them, not some kind of “keep the regionals staffed through the summer” thing.

Too many variables to say OTS would happen “much more quickly”. The people going now were a month or two from getting the call when covid hit. The off the street hires that didn’t make it to class before covid had the same delay. Someone hired into Aviate now, if they meet the requirements, could theoretically go before the end of the year. Plus there’s no guarantee they’ll ever actually call you OTS.

Just to clarify a couple points.
UA has made it through all the pre-COVID OTS hires/CJO’s.
Currently OTS who interviewed in May 2021 are being offered classes in July.
To my understanding, CPP have pretty much all been offered class dates.
Aviate candidates who have finished transition requirements that interviewed prior to March 2020 are still waiting for class dates. Until Aviate candidates start getting classes, it is pretty much true that current OTS interviews are getting class dates before Aviate.
This may change by the end of summer, but I guess we’ll see. I agree that I don’t think it has much to do with the “lets keep the regionals staffed,” because current classes are mostly being filled with pilots from regionals who just interviewed in May.

"because current classes are mostly being filled with pilots from regionals who just interviewed in May" You mean who interviewed OTS and can be from any regional not necessarily a United Express carrier? To be fair, it makes total sense to keep people in the pool (Aviate) and utilize them slowly and hire as much OTS as you can. Keeping competition from getting OTS while maintaining a healthy pool of applicants in the Aviate program who remain cautiously optimistic. I hope i'm wrong though :)

yes, OTS will get you a class date faster than Aviate IF you are competitive now AND you get the call. Basically if you have several thousand 121 PIC hours apply OTS and hope you win the computer selection lottery. For everyone else Aviate will be faster.