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JoeMerchant 08-13-2021 06:47 PM
Originally Posted by Richaash (Post 3278934)
There have been NO Mesa pilots who have gotten class dates in August and looks like even for September(maybe). I am one of the unfortunate few who are waiting in that next group. Was expecting august, and nothing but crickets. September seems to be heading the same direction. No communication from Aviate as to why and no one to reach out to. Don't understand what the hold up is. Been a very long, frustrating and disappointing process. Program had so much promise and promised so much. Really really sad. Hoping some people from Alpa @ United may read this and maybe query or help. If anyone has any info, we would all greatly appreciate it.
The hold up is the UEX system is imploding and they can’t afford to let people leave the UEX system. Much like CPP, AVIATE is yet another Ponzi scheme…

Oletimer 08-13-2021 08:03 PM
Originally Posted by JoeMerchant (Post 3279153)
The hold up is the UEX system is imploding and they can’t afford to let people leave the UEX system. Much like CPP, AVIATE is yet another Ponzi scheme…
Those accepted into Aviate are not married to it. They are still free to shop the market and go to where they feel their career will be most promising and/or bountiful. Sure, Aviate leadership wants those accepted into the program to stick with it, but the reality is that the market will bear what the market will bear. The "feeders" or regionals will struggle to keep their flights adequately staffed for the foreseeable future.

20sx 08-14-2021 04:44 AM
Originally Posted by Futurestrupwfl (Post 3277918)
Mesa Pilots.
Have any of you received a class date since the first group of guys that went to class in July ?
It seems the Mesa line has stopped moving.
Mesa pilots (or any aviate pilots), please let us know if you get a class date. It seems like the line is at a standstill.
The first mesa group (cpp) started June 8. The second group (aviate), went July 27, almost two months later. If I was a betting man, I'd bet the next group starts September 21st. Maybe the 14th.

GuppyDreamer 08-14-2021 05:45 AM
Originally Posted by 20sx (Post 3279259)
The first mesa group (cpp) started June 8. The second group (aviate), went July 27, almost two months later. If I was a betting man, I'd bet the next group starts September 21st. Maybe the 14th.
But that’s not how it’s advertised. Pilots should be transitioning in order of the Fifo list which I don’t think anyone has but I can’t believe there’s that much space between pilots in each airline.

tonsterboy5 08-14-2021 09:27 AM
Originally Posted by GuppyDreamer (Post 3279280)
But that’s not how it’s advertised. Pilots should be transitioning in order of the Fifo list which I don’t think anyone has but I can’t believe there’s that much space between pilots in each airline.
It’s all based on coming seniority for the first 2 groups. (A ZW pilot with a zw hire date of 1990 will go before a mesa hire from 2018)

puddlejumper 08-14-2021 09:36 AM
Originally Posted by tonsterboy5 (Post 3279416)
It’s all based on coming seniority for the first 2 groups. (A ZW pilot with a zw hire date of 1990 will go before a mesa hire from 2018)
But a 2021 new hire who went to a partner university, interviewed and was accepted in 2018 under CPP will be in the first decile for the couple years it take to meet the experience requirements. I think many current first decile folks are in that situation.

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BobbyLakes 08-14-2021 02:37 PM
Originally Posted by GuppyDreamer (Post 3279280)
But that’s not how it’s advertised. Pilots should be transitioning in order of the Fifo list which I don’t think anyone has but I can’t believe there’s that much space between pilots in each airline.
The program implies that once you meet all the requirements and your number comes up on the FIFO list, you transition to United as long as United is hiring. Since United is currently full steam ahead with hiring, the line should be moving at a pretty good pace.

Whatever the intention was, the reality is the regionals are having staffing problems, and the obvious answer is to hold the Aviate pilots at their respective regional and hire off the street instead. That is what appears to be happening since the transition has slowed and in Mesa’s case, has come to a stop.

idlethrust 08-14-2021 02:43 PM
Originally Posted by tonsterboy5 (Post 3279416)
It’s all based on coming seniority for the first 2 groups. (A ZW pilot with a zw hire date of 1990 will go before a mesa hire from 2018)
its based on your actual interview date not your employment/ seniority date

NovemberBravo 08-14-2021 04:12 PM
Originally Posted by idlethrust (Post 3279567)
its based on your actual interview date not your employment/ seniority date
he’s right the first few months of aviate were broken into waves. Everyone in the first wave went in seniority order behind CPP folks. It is accurate we’re still in the first wave of applicants at Mesa. Not sure at what point that changes over.

NovemberBravo 08-14-2021 04:41 PM
Within each wave, all successful applicants in the selection process will have the same entry date for the FIFO list and will be ordered based on carrier seniority (within your carrier) and evenly distributed with the other UAX carriers. Within each wave, it does not matter when you submit your application.
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    • Wave one will accept applications from Oct. 3, 2019 to 2359 CT on Oct. 21, 2019.
    • Wave two will accept applications from Oct. 22, 2019 to 2359 CT Dec. 20, 2019.
  • If you apply after the Dec. 20, 2019 deadline, you will be placed on the FIFO in accordance with the standard FIFO process (i.e. based on your Board of Review date)


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