Agreement in Principle
09-09-2020 | 11:05 AM
#101
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When the company uses 2019 pax metrics as a determining factor for snap backs just remember that loads were at an all time high and you are probably looking at 3 years before those will return..possibly longer. So be prepared to sit there happy with whatever you agreed on for as long as it takes...The company will hold you to it..
09-09-2020 | 11:09 AM
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09-09-2020 | 11:12 AM
#103
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You believe in a brotherhood where you are pay protected from a necessary displacement and furloughees should be happy they get anything. Got it.
Any tiered reduction is ridiculously divisive and though it might save my job, it warrants NC recall.
But I’ll still read it.
Any tiered reduction is ridiculously divisive and though it might save my job, it warrants NC recall.
But I’ll still read it.
09-09-2020 | 11:13 AM
#104
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He’s on every board he can find spreading the gospel.
Thank you. That forum has turned into Scott's message board. And I don't mean Kirby.
Locked threads, dissention squased (unless its the other sides opinion,etc) What a farce and why bother to participate? Who moderates the moderators? Someone calls out their opinion and poof...theread locked or worse.
It sickens me to see what a bunch of thin-skinned babies we have become.
Phuckkit.
Locked threads, dissention squased (unless its the other sides opinion,etc) What a farce and why bother to participate? Who moderates the moderators? Someone calls out their opinion and poof...theread locked or worse.
It sickens me to see what a bunch of thin-skinned babies we have become.
Phuckkit.
09-09-2020 | 11:19 AM
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09-09-2020 | 11:33 AM
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If the ALPA forum was on Compuserve, it wasn't an ALPA forum. You won't see ALPA hosting a forum on Herndon's servers or directly using ALPA resources to host forums.
ALPA would probably be successful in defending that all opinions are an extension of the union hall in terms of protected content, but my view is they fear lawsuits from disaffected users that claim their opinion is being squashed. For that, I don't think there's a sound strategy that Herndon's lawyers feel capable of defending.
ALPA would probably be successful in defending that all opinions are an extension of the union hall in terms of protected content, but my view is they fear lawsuits from disaffected users that claim their opinion is being squashed. For that, I don't think there's a sound strategy that Herndon's lawyers feel capable of defending.
09-09-2020 | 11:55 AM
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From: 757/767
Here’s the latest rumor:
Agreement in principle reached to mitigate all furloughs
cancel displacements of *top 2 thirds* of pilot group
all DH in first
11K LTD
some RSV improvements
bottom 1/3 (who would of been furloughed) get 50% MPG, Middle 1/3 takes 20% MPG cut, top 1/3 takes 10% MPG cut
Dynamic snap backs based on demand metrics compared to 2019 demand #’s
costs the company more money than a straight furlough
flexibility to quickly recover
Agreement in principle reached to mitigate all furloughs
cancel displacements of *top 2 thirds* of pilot group
all DH in first
11K LTD
some RSV improvements
bottom 1/3 (who would of been furloughed) get 50% MPG, Middle 1/3 takes 20% MPG cut, top 1/3 takes 10% MPG cut
Dynamic snap backs based on demand metrics compared to 2019 demand #’s
costs the company more money than a straight furlough
flexibility to quickly recover
09-09-2020 | 11:59 AM
#108
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Keep in mind it’s not in the company’s best interest to have a bunch of pilots making 50% MPG. They’d rather have one pilot flying 100%. And our union (I hope) addresses this issue with the AIP/LOA.
So I doubt we will be stuck with 50% or whatever for years and years. I bet this LOA has a sunset date around the summer time.
So I doubt we will be stuck with 50% or whatever for years and years. I bet this LOA has a sunset date around the summer time.
09-09-2020 | 12:07 PM
#109
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If this true, those in the bottom 1/3 might be worse off than just taking a furlough. For me, not only would I be losing 50% pay, I’d also lose 3 months furlough pay, a 90 day notice, vacation pay payout, plus the need to tell my temporary employer “oh yeah, I’ll need 7 days off per month, but I won’t know which ones until two weeks’ prior to the next month.” All to work for half-pay starting immediately? I don’t know. We’ve budgeted for a cut in pay starting mid March of next year. Not suddenly in Oct. If this is the deal, I’m not sure...
09-09-2020 | 12:20 PM
#110
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Correct.
The CompuServe forum was an official UAL ALPA forum managed by UAL ALPA (not national). It later migrated to its own server (still operated by UAL ALPA) in the early '00s before being shut down for a handful of very good reasons and several dozen not good reasons.
The good reasons involved potential liability for illegal work actions during a period when the union was operating under a federal restraining order.
The bad reasons were internal politics, silencing dissent, and embarrassing (but factual) information involving some MEC/LEC players of that era. (Helpful hint: don't take a drop for a MEC meeting while posting on Facebook about the hunting opener while sending a proxy to the meeting.)
FWIW, the 'other' forum spontaneously erupted when the official forum was shuttered.
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