Fool me once shame on you. Fool me twice shame on me. I’m on about the 6th or 7th fool me and the rumors of this do not give me a warm and fuzzy feeling. Also, If this is going to come down as leaked with 3 tiers the divisiveness and resentment towards now separate factions will be long lasting. I think ALPA is making a catastrophic mistake with that approach but it’s obviously designed to get the 50% + 1. I’ll read the AIP but I’m starting from a no vote if it is as rumored. They’ll have to be pretty convincing to change my mind as I don’t trust management whatsoever. Someone else summed it up perfectly “Same circus, different clowns”. Snap backs lmao yea right.

Reference the forums, total wasteland over there on the other UAL forum. Pathetic moderation and the whining became intolerable with the same dozen or so pilots. ALPA absolutely had their own forum back in the 90’s early 2000’s but it suddenly vanished. No clue about the old Continental forum.

 

You didn’t miss much.. some resolutions shot down. They can’t comment via non- disclosure. Boxed lunch (union dues at work)

around the water cooler talk though:
if this “leaked” rumor Is pretty true company & union playing towards top 1/3 and bottom 1/3.
top 1/3 takes least hit and can make that up via open time (nobody on furlough now) and bottom 1/3 gets to keep medical coverage and cover a mortgage.
middle 1/3 gets the “Spaulding”. You will get nothing and like it.

they know the numbers. Just need 50% +1. So with top 1/3 & bottom 1/3 they have it

Probably hold close to vest until end of Sept. No timeline given. Expect a last minute hurry up vote.

Frats

 

Thanks. Was still hoping (but not expecting) for a rumor of more EO's. Well, being in the middle 1/3 I guess that means my sick leave is going to be worth 20% less.

 

oops, math in public. The sick leave will pay the same per hour, it will just take longer to burn at 58 hrs per month vs 73.

 

Those are valid concerns, but also think long terms. If the company furloughs 3,900, the possibility of a merger now becomes more of a reality. It seems like most of the LCC are seating around 4-5k pilots. Kirby is not gonna wait around to get 3,900 pilots trained, it will take more than three years most optimistic scenario to get everyone back on the property while he is losing money. Acquiring LCC can be done in less than a year, and while you’re serving “FPTLD” sentence, there won’t be any rush to get you back on the property. Now that furloughs turns into 8-10 years, and the guys on the property will shrug their shoulders when you come back saying it’s life, things happen, we’ve seen it before while they’re still enjoying their original seniority. At the end when the AIP runs out and they decide to furlough, you’ll still get your three months + Vacations.

 

Insler said “not concessionary” - MPG is in the contract. Lowering MPG is a concession.

Snapbacks based on 2019 traffic will take YEARS to recover. In the meantime, the bottom third will have an MPG in the 30’s with the exception of summers and maybe December for the next 5 years or so.

Those in the bottom third will seek employment elsewhere, moving the lines that define the thirds steadily up the seniority list (which is no longer a seniority list in the true sense).

Future contract gains will be lost as massive amounts of negotiating capital will be required to repair the carnage done to the contract.

This is crazy.

Pipe

 

Well, it’s not concessionary if it’s saving jobs.😂

 

Not even close. Full benefits (health insurance thats not cobra) , 16% , etc...

This is gonna last for a while.

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I think somewhere in the language for the Cares loan it says airlines that take the money can't merge with another for a period of five years.

 

Exactly. Fewer than three weeks until the first furloughs hit the street. It’s like one of those bad home renovation shows where they’re always up against a deadline but somehow always miraculously come through!