Agreement in Principle
09-09-2020 | 07:18 AM
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Wadr we've never seen what? An exogenous event causing an airline over staffing issue leading to bumps and furloughs? We see it almost every ten years. Is the solution to perceived mistakes to turn this career into a multi year part time job for the majority every ten years?
09-09-2020 | 07:24 AM
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09-09-2020 | 07:24 AM
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That forum is compromised. They banned all the vocal opposition. They are selectively censoring posts that under normal circumstances would stand untouched. They even removed the “like” button so they could silence approval for users’ posts.
One of the mods is pro-concessions, so no surprise there.
One of the mods is pro-concessions, so no surprise there.
09-09-2020 | 07:29 AM
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Don’t be surprised if they shut it down soon. Remember they shut down the ALPA Forum about 12 years ago due to a so-called virus? Total BS. They’re having server issues over there supposedly, but the truth is that they’re compromised.
09-09-2020 | 07:32 AM
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Generalizing past mistakes into the present unique situation which is by far worse than anything this airline has ever experienced holds some value, but it certainly isn’t how any professional ought to be navigating the path forward. I don’t believe anyone has or is suggesting this career be turned into a multi-year part-time job. Maybe trim back the emotions which are leading to a fear-mongering outcome and then ask thoughtful questions to your union reps based off of actual AiP language you’ve thoroughly read. Since we can’t do that yet there’s no need to react.
I've seen the playbook before us as many times as you have fingers on your hands. Unless you've undergone an amputation, and for that I'm sorry.
Be well.
09-09-2020 | 07:37 AM
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No emotion. Facts. Compensation currently down 20-30%. Thankfully we have an MPG. Now another hit because there is absolutely no way the company will fund the no furlough/no displacement demand as prescribed by the MC. Multi-year because historically furloughs don't last six months to a year, but longer.
I've seen the playbook before us as many times as you have fingers on your hands. Unless you've undergone an amputation, and for that I'm sorry.
Be well.
I've seen the playbook before us as many times as you have fingers on your hands. Unless you've undergone an amputation, and for that I'm sorry.
Be well.
09-09-2020 | 07:37 AM
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You've read it? Maybe you can answer this then,
The AIP is purported to have hard snapbacks and concessions are temporary. The thinking is that these concessions are required because of the downturn in revenue caused by the pandemic.
My observation is that humanity has done a miserable job so far in predicting the end of the pandemic, yet our pilot negotiating committee has agreed to an end date? How do they know?
Since you're in the know, is it possible that snapbacks are tied to UAL cash reserves so that if United is at risk of violated covenants (free cash) and is headed to bankruptcy that we enter BK with our "real" contract?
09-09-2020 | 07:39 AM
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Here’s the latest rumor:
Agreement in principle reached to mitigate all furloughs
cancel displacements of *top 2 thirds* of pilot group
all DH in first
11K LTD
some RSV improvements
bottom 1/3 (who would of been furloughed) get 50% MPG, Middle 1/3 takes 20% MPG cut, top 1/3 takes 10% MPG cut
Dynamic snap backs based on demand metrics compared to 2019 demand #’s
costs the company more money than a straight furlough
flexibility to quickly recover
Agreement in principle reached to mitigate all furloughs
cancel displacements of *top 2 thirds* of pilot group
all DH in first
11K LTD
some RSV improvements
bottom 1/3 (who would of been furloughed) get 50% MPG, Middle 1/3 takes 20% MPG cut, top 1/3 takes 10% MPG cut
Dynamic snap backs based on demand metrics compared to 2019 demand #’s
costs the company more money than a straight furlough
flexibility to quickly recover
09-09-2020 | 07:43 AM
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You've read it? Maybe you can answer this then,
The AIP is purported to have hard snapbacks and concessions are temporary. The thinking is that these concessions are required because of the downturn in revenue caused by the pandemic.
My observation is that humanity has done a miserable job so far in predicting the end of the pandemic, yet our pilot negotiating committee has agreed to an end date? How do they know?
Since you're in the know, is it possible that snapbacks are tied to UAL cash reserves so that if United is at risk of violated covenants (free cash) and is headed to bankruptcy that we enter BK with our "real" contract?
The AIP is purported to have hard snapbacks and concessions are temporary. The thinking is that these concessions are required because of the downturn in revenue caused by the pandemic.
My observation is that humanity has done a miserable job so far in predicting the end of the pandemic, yet our pilot negotiating committee has agreed to an end date? How do they know?
Since you're in the know, is it possible that snapbacks are tied to UAL cash reserves so that if United is at risk of violated covenants (free cash) and is headed to bankruptcy that we enter BK with our "real" contract?
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09-09-2020 | 07:43 AM
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No emotion. Facts. Compensation currently down 20-30%. Thankfully we have an MPG. Now another hit because there is absolutely no way the company will fund the no furlough/no displacement demand as prescribed by the MC. Multi-year because historically furloughs don't last six months to a year, but longer.
I've seen the playbook before us as many times as you have fingers on your hands. Unless you've undergone an amputation, and for that I'm sorry.
Be well.
I've seen the playbook before us as many times as you have fingers on your hands. Unless you've undergone an amputation, and for that I'm sorry.
Be well.
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