I respect that. I was working more than 9 days a month and I have little kids at home and a wife that works. It works for me, it doesn’t work for you. I’m likely joining your no vote but I’m also bracing for the outcome of this passing and if I have to live with it then atleast I’ll know what the positives will be despite all the negatives that will come with it.

 

I’ll bite....the MEC probably isn’t taking a cut because they are working just as much as they always do...probably more than usual these days. Any of us line pilots who fly as much as we “usually” do won’t take a pay cut either. Because it’s not a pay RATE cut, it’s a pay VOLUME cut. The end result is the same, but that should explain why the MEC isn’t taking a cut. Do we really want the MEC to do a lesser portion of their normal duties?!

I’m sure the vocal NO voters would like that, but I still think that explains why the MEC isn’t taking a cut.

 

I don’t have a dog in this fight other than being a dues paying ALPA member but why didn’t they do the 50hr long term leaves on a voluntary basis. Let the company decide how many in each seat and base they want and then when they are bid for you calculate the savings and see how many furloughs it mitigates. Guys that sign up get to voluntarily take a bunch of time off and get paid 50hrs/mo to do it. Anyone that doesn’t do it gets to keep their full pay. At that point hopefully enough savings adds up to mitigating all furloughs.

Southwest did this, Spirit did this, and I think AA but I’m not sure.

This United deal seems concessionary and snap back provisions never seem to play out like they’re supposed to.

Been furloughed before but outside looking in I think there is a better solution than this TA

 

Wow.

The self entitlement on full display here is nothing short of staggering.

If you're a post SLI hire, and you didn't prepare for a furlough, that's on you. You're not entitled to a GD damn thing and the senior pilots who've spent most of their careers recovering from their own furloughs, pension losses, esop, bankruptcies, etc while also providing for their own families don't owe you a GD thing... But for the past decade have provided a contract for you with industry leading pay, opportunity, and most notably new hire pay and benefits. Plenty of history out there if you were willing to absorb it and plan ahead.

Don't come back with "well this is unprecedented." It's always unprecedented. Every down turn is always worse than the one prior. It's your turn in the barrel... suck it up and take it like a professional. In 10-15 years, after we've recovered, and you've been back, and we go through this boom bust cycle again you can yell at all the young kids about how hard you had it and it's their turn but to expect those above you to make unprecedented sacrifice because you weren't ready, and to then call them greedy, is the ultimate display of hypocrisy.

Signed,
A junior group furloughee

 

Thousands upon thousands of other pilots would also like the option to work as much as they always do. With a no vote, at least there would be thousands that do have that option (an option afforded to them by seniority, a basic tenet of every CBA).

Pipe

 

that’s not really a response to what I said.....but ok

 

other COLAs are still available. Yes, they have to be approved, like they always have.
Let me ask you this, have you thought about your fellow pilots who don’t have things lined up, before worrying about “things recovering” too quickly?

 

Best..............post..............ever!!

 

just out of curiosity, why is (10%) hardship for the senior guys unwarranted… But for the junior group (which contains a lot of guys and gals in their 40s and 50s, not millennials), divorce, uprooting your family, etc a right of passage? Why do you feel that the senior group should not suck it up and just figure out their 10% pay cut? when does one earn the right to feel entitled to what they have VS embrace the suck? 50% seniority? 30%?

There were undesirable, but well paying flying opportunities post 9/11 and in the housing crisis recession. I don’t really see that happening in the travel industry during this recession.

if you view junior pilots on any seniority list as simply job protection for senior pilots, I think then maybe you have a different definition of unionism than most people

 

thats makes sense but shouldn’t they have a rate cut as well? For the collective good? I realize that there are probably only like 40-45 people but shouldn’t they have to endure some of this as well? Isn’t that only right? not saying it has to be the same but 10 hours less or something?

also would this 95 hr/month union rate be found in the by laws for their duration of seat I’m guessing.

I appreciate the response.