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Old 09-17-2020 | 05:41 PM
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Never said it was perfect, but most likely better than from where you worked before.
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Old 09-17-2020 | 05:54 PM
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Originally Posted by levelhead
FALSE.
Junior narrowbody captains that might be furloughed (A small group) will get $270x35 which is $9380. Middle group Narrowbody FO's at 52 hours and $193 an hour will still make $10036.
Please actually research and do the math before posting false claims like this.

Weird times for sure for when people are completely apathetic to thousands of co-workers losing their jobs.
Oh boy.....$700 while working a lot more and less days off. Sounds fair!! Get a clue!
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Old 09-17-2020 | 06:30 PM
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Originally Posted by levelhead
FALSE.
Junior narrowbody captains that might be furloughed (A small group) will get $270x35 which is $9380. Middle group Narrowbody FO's at 52 hours and $193 an hour will still make $10036.
Please actually research and do the math before posting false claims like this.

Weird times for sure for when people are completely apathetic to thousands of co-workers losing their jobs.
I'm pretty sure the Jr narrowbody Capt above will be on reserve, so redo the math at 36.5 hours.
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Old 09-17-2020 | 07:13 PM
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Originally Posted by 130shadow
You actually believe that it’s ok to have an A-B-C scale when pilots in 85 went on strike so we wouldn’t have a B scale? You are ok with pilots taking a pay cut to supplement your income?
you’re holding on to tight Cougar. The pilots in 85’ went on strike to protect the JUNIOR pilots that were facing B scale. They FOUGHT for the JUNIOR pilot and faced months or years of no pay.

now you make some dumbass post about taking a pay cut to “line the pockets” of the junior pilots. If you are going to post about unionism then show some.

I don’t care if you vote no but you don’t need to be a condescending a-hole about it.
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Old 09-17-2020 | 07:57 PM
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Nobody making 50% is going to be “lining their pockets”. Narrowly avoiding being homeless is a little closer to accurate. I’m not voting for anybody else’s pay cut. I’m voting for my own. What happens to you is collateral damage, and that is how you feel about us, as well. If it doesn’t work for you, vote no.....I will accept the outcome either way, I just wanted a chance to vote on this thing.
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Old 09-17-2020 | 08:35 PM
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Originally Posted by ReadOnly7
Nobody making 50% is going to be “lining their pockets”. Narrowly avoiding being homeless is a little closer to accurate. I’m not voting for anybody else’s pay cut. I’m voting for my own. What happens to you is collateral damage, and that is how you feel about us, as well. If it doesn’t work for you, vote no.....I will accept the outcome either way, I just wanted a chance to vote on this thing.
ALPA lost me at "first you start by dividing the pilot group into 1/3's"
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Old 09-17-2020 | 08:46 PM
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Originally Posted by Big5
ALPA lost me at "first you start by dividing the pilot group into 1/3's"
cant have it both ways. Either you believe in a union that works to actively protect all its members, or you believe ALPA is there for collective bargaining and contract enforcement.

because it sounds like you’re upset with a (temporary) lack of equal treatment for all members (That attempts to keep all of our pilots employed), but yet you’re okay with cutting lose any dead weight in our pilot ranks, regardless of the economic environment they’ll face?
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Old 09-17-2020 | 09:08 PM
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Originally Posted by duvie

because it sounds like you’re upset with a (temporary) lack of equal treatment for all members (That attempts to keep all of our pilots employed), but yet you’re okay with cutting lose any dead weight in our pilot ranks, regardless of the economic environment they’ll face?
Why do you refer to it as my decision “to cut lose any dead weight?” This Shouldn’t be my (or your) decision. That’s the point - our union has seemingly put us in this unfortunate situation with this TA. We have an existing contract that has many protections and provisions that we’re haphazardly tossing in favor of a TA that’s benefiting at best 2/3 of the pilot group.
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Old 09-17-2020 | 09:57 PM
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Originally Posted by 130shadow
We are in a union, but not a socialist union. I contribute my dues to better the profession and am proud to do so. I contribute to the furlough fund to help guys out with health insurance and happy to do so. But I draw the line in taking a reduction in mpg to the tune of $4800 a month to pay other pilots salaries.
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Old 09-17-2020 | 10:11 PM
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Originally Posted by duvie
cant have it both ways. Either you believe in a union that works to actively protect all its members, or you believe ALPA is there for collective bargaining and contract enforcement.

because it sounds like you’re upset with a (temporary) lack of equal treatment for all members (That attempts to keep all of our pilots employed), but yet you’re okay with cutting lose any dead weight in our pilot ranks, regardless of the economic environment they’ll face?
WE are not cutting anybody loose...the company is. Understand that.

Representation does not entail carve outs and windfalls. A guy with a furlough letter in hand can keep the job AND keep his captain pay making the same as a middle guy while working less. That is not right and you know it.
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