That is not false: I’m a widebody FO being displaced to NB FO. I’ll be pay protected under this TA making more per hour than guys years senior to me on my new fleet, even though they’re in my same tier (bottom 1/3).

 

You are right, for a very small number of people that is true in the junior group. I based that assumption on people who are not at risk of furlough as per the union email which was above thsoe ~3900 people i.e. the middle group.

 

I could say the same to you. I was just making a observation. What about the junior NB capt that going back to the right seat as line holder pay protected? I see you just pick and chose whatever to fit your narrative. Have you looked at the NB capt displacements a lot are not cancelled.
20-07D

 

The people who are not canceled but are pay protected are still making less than the middle group FO's.

 

yeah… When you say “junior guys making more than senior folks“… It really does not sound like you are talking about two pilots from the same tier. Kind of sounds like you were talking about you versus a top-tier narrowbody FO bidding for that seat for QOL.

Not to mention, even in this convoluted and very specific scenario, I am assuming they are not holding a furlough letter, which means with early outs they could easily graduate into the middle third and instantly be making more than you.

how many people want to come up with half-baked hypothetical situations in their reading of the TA? It doesn’t seem to take any more than one additional step of logic to realize that the situation is not as egregious as so many would like to believe. And/or one of the requisite conditions for the injustice would actually negate said egregious “carveout”…

 

Vote your own vote it is what it is.

 

ok your off the level now.

 

See Duvie's response above.

 

Hey math major.
The Narrowbody FO in your scenario worked 17 more hours (4 days or so).
Please actually do honest math before posting false claims like this.

Pipe

 

Please. No one is apathetic that pilots are going to lose their jobs. Kindly lay off the drama since it appears that your sales pitch is already working just fine. If you will recall, a whole bunch of us already got to ride that seat-post ONLY bike. Some for a decade.

Weird times when the company has 17B in cash and yet our asses are on fire this week.
Weird times when we are considering upending the contract when CARES2 is still in limbo.
Weird times when we are considering chopping the seniority list up and having them each claw at the others with our different viewpoints.
Weird times when we willingly take on the companies economic problem and rush to make it our own.
Weird times when this program was initially sold as something that will prevent furloughs and now it looks as though they'll likely get furloughed anyway. Just like a whole mess of us did. Some twice in the past. Where was the big group-hug-Kumbaya then? ALPA was completely apathetic then.
Weird times when money is being taken out of one pilots pocket so that it can be put into anothers.
Weird times when seniority is no longer sacrosanct.
Weird times when we are willing to take on 24 months of concessions to save jobs for 8 only months.
Weird times when suddenly ALPA is the boogeyman for furloughing pilots and not the company.
Weird times when I've been told for 20 years that I'll have time to make it up and now I'll just have to suck it up.
Weird times when the Monthy Pay Guarantee will now be what exactly? It sure as hell isn't a guarantee worth having. How are we to plan on our futures?