Again!!!
09-17-2020 | 05:02 AM
#51
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If the taxpayers had their say we all would have had a much larger cut than that by now.
09-17-2020 | 05:03 AM
#52
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From: The GF of FUPM
the fedex thing was a $h!tshow that is still being argued on a regular basis. It also ended up needing major repairs in the next contract (which cost negotiating capital, or in other words, even more money). And, oh, one last thing. The company didn't implement any of it in the way that the mec thought they would - shocking! How many times will pilots do this to themselves?
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09-17-2020 | 05:04 AM
#53
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From: It keeps changing.
09-17-2020 | 06:33 AM
#54
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just to make sure you are doing your math correctly. read I.b.2 the senior and middle group MUST have 4200 pilot each. We will get 655 pilots to take EO2 and that will put me at the bottom of the middle group and you are senior to me. How does being in the middle group affect your pay?
09-17-2020 | 06:43 AM
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just to make sure you are doing your math correctly. read I.b.2 the senior and middle group MUST have 4200 pilot each. We will get 655 pilots to take EO2 and that will put me at the bottom of the middle group and you are senior to me. How does being in the middle group affect your pay?
09-17-2020 | 06:56 AM
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It is only not 4200 for the initial division. Every quarter starting Q1 2021 it will be adjusted and the middle group must have at least 4200 pilots.
By my pilot math if we do furlough the 2000 and retire 655, and this thing is active for the full two years, a very large percent of the active pilot group will be in the top two groups by the end.
09-17-2020 | 09:21 AM
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Just so you are very clear about where you were going to stand if you have the AIP pay cut you are talking about. On the other hand, if we see numbers that don’t portend 5,000+ furloughs, you’ll probably be closer to a 7-10% cut compared to current UPA mind (which still is Very unpleasant when compared to pre-Covid pay).
09-17-2020 | 09:43 AM
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Pretty much the definition of a union defines socialist ideals. This is the biggest solidarity movement in the history here at United. I recall the FedEx pilots reducing down to 49 hours MPG to save their fellow pilots. Pretty cool that these options came to light. I would be proud to show UAL management how we are WHOLE as a group.
Yeah, ok...
Oh, and everyone at fed ex took the same cut including the mc. Actual unity.
I will follow our dear leader Insler, and vote to keep my pay the same.
09-17-2020 | 10:00 AM
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The lines are going to be built to a stupidly low level as I understand it. Therefore, the super senior will be the ones picking up the open time. Unless you're in that group, you can likely forget about seeing anything in open time other than occasional crap. And that's IF there is any open time. Depending on BES you may either line your pockets or eat sand. The level of open time in my last seat was abysmal. It matters not what your pay rate is if you can only bring home X hours per month.
And correct me if I am wrong, but there will be guys bumped from the left seat to the right who will get to keep their Captains pay rate. They will likely be super senior in BES. They will be the ones slurpoing up the open time, and at Captains pay. And if the company is offering premium pay, they will be making more than the Captain. Nice work if you can get it. Eat sand if you can't.
Excellent point and you know people will abuse the system
The lines are going to be built to a stupidly low level as I understand it. Therefore, the super senior will be the ones picking up the open time. Unless you're in that group, you can likely forget about seeing anything in open time other than occasional crap. And that's IF there is any open time. Depending on BES you may either line your pockets or eat sand. The level of open time in my last seat was abysmal. It matters not what your pay rate is if you can only bring home X hours per month.
And correct me if I am wrong, but there will be guys bumped from the left seat to the right who will get to keep their Captains pay rate. They will likely be super senior in BES. They will be the ones slurpoing up the open time, and at Captains pay. And if the company is offering premium pay, they will be making more than the Captain. Nice work if you can get it. Eat sand if you can't.
