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Desdi 04-08-2021 05:08 AM


Originally Posted by TrumpLostLOL (Post 3218642)
Have you ever heard of this crash by a company named Colgan Air? Yea, both pilots were white, and they are kinda the reason for the brutal ATP mins we have now.

Brutal ATP mins? You clearly are not an airline pilot, just a troll!

Desdi 04-08-2021 05:16 AM


Originally Posted by HanYolo (Post 3218665)
Except, you are upset over CENTURIES of oppression against black people in South Africa and they are finally trying to change it back. The Dutch invaded South Africa in the mid 1650s and enslaved and colonized. I am sorry to hear you are struggling with this, but after about 350 years, I get that they have had enough.

Nope he is talking about the here and now!

Flydafe 04-08-2021 05:32 AM


Originally Posted by baseball (Post 3218733)
I recall a simulator check out and a panel of Senior Airline Captains at the interview. Some HR person looked at the paperwork after the interview was over. That's how it should be done.

Notice how the FB forums that are involved in UAL are all shut down now. Provda has shutdown any pilot who discussed this topic on FB.

The FB moderators tell people to "call their union reps." Like, yeah, our snaggle tooth union reps are going to do what exactly?

Interesting. The company is going to finance this endeavor out of what money? Could it be our profit sharing? This Aviate program isn't going to be run for free. So, really, in the end, the pilots have to subsidize it anyway. Glad they asked us permission.

These candidates....They will sure be solid union members right? Nah. They gonna be beholding to the boss man for their job. It's a new kind of slavery. They got you by the balls before you even get hired. Management owns these guys and gals and they ain't even hired yet. ALPA hasn't said "boo" about all this. Interesting.............

I think they are going to use the CARES Act monies and if this is what you envision slavery to be then it ain’t that bad at all... Crew meals and nice hotels.. good pay and retirement. Sure beats picking cotton and tobacco for free

climb150 04-08-2021 05:52 AM

It may all be hot air. British Airways and Qantas announced similar hiring targets a few years ago. They got all the good PR and praise from political parties.

What happened next? They kept on doing what they did before. No changes, recruit the best who show up.

AAL763 04-08-2021 06:03 AM


Originally Posted by climb150 (Post 3218764)
It may all be hot air. British Airways and Qantas announced similar hiring targets a few years ago. They got all the good PR and praise from political parties.

What happened next? They kept on doing what they did before. No changes, recruit the best who show up.

Well this has surely backfired on United. The ratio they’re getting on FB/Twitter is significant. People are not happy. Well deserved though. When a company goes woke, they go “broke.” If the target was to anger as many of their customers as possible, they hit the nail right on the head.

ThumbsUp 04-08-2021 06:38 AM


Originally Posted by Flydafe (Post 3218728)
I counter this thinking with the development of the civilian pilot training program that allowed the Tuskegee airmen to be created. Compared to their counterparts in the military they out performed everyone and never lost a bomber in combat. They became so desired by their Caucasian counterparts that they where given the name “by request” because they knew that they would come home if escorted by the Red Tails. They were requested multiple times and never failed... over 1500 missions. Many of your grandfathers were escorted by these men.

The standards were not lowered when the military included minority pilots.. the standards were shattered in that era and there is historical data to back it up.

History of The Tuskegee Airmen

I’m not posing an argument. You and I are talking about different things. I’m talking about the ability to enter the program, not whether or not someone can graduate and become a pilot. I’m just highlighting what has statistically happened when you favor a minority (talking about numbers, not race) applicant pool to something that has a competitive admission with some kind of measured criteria to entry.

This is about college admissions, but you can search the lead authors name and find any number of studies that show the same thing.

https://scholar.princeton.edu/sites/..._2004_full.pdf

ItnStln 04-08-2021 06:54 AM


Originally Posted by Ua10810 (Post 3218658)
I was born a white male in South Africa and had to leave my entire damn family to move to another country to get a job as a pilot. I would never have the opportunity to be a pilot in the country I was born because I am white.

The same thing will happen here.

1257 04-08-2021 06:56 AM


Originally Posted by KSwift76 (Post 3218633)
I understand your frustration. I hear you when you say you feel like you are being discriminated against. I just can't figure out how. You, (I assume you are a white male) are still getting 50% of the opportunity. Everyone else has to split 50% of the opportunity.
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Sounds like you're confusing equality of opportunity with equality of outcome.
There already is equality of opportunity. Anyone, male or female, of any color, has the opportunity to apply at United Airlines.
Forcing the 50% female/color narrative forces the outcome of being awarded an interview.
And let me be clear, if UAL was saying we are going to award interviews to XX% white males, I would be equally opposed to it.
Let's also be clear that this is a zero sum dynamic, for every candidate accepted, another is turned down, there are not unlimited slots.
The exclusions of our profession should be purely based on qualifications and competence. Period.
Any forced outcome of being awarded an interview based on gender or color, male/female/white/black or otherwise is clearly discriminatory.

JurgenKlopp 04-08-2021 07:04 AM


Originally Posted by AAL763 (Post 3218768)
Well this has surely backfired on United. The ratio they’re getting on FB/Twitter is significant. People are not happy. Well deserved though. When a company goes woke, they go “broke.” If the target was to anger as many of their customers as possible, they hit the nail right on the head.

Yep negative views and threats of boycotts on FB and Twitter always translates to action. Did you count the number of blue check marks since you clearly have too much time on your hands?

Chuck D 04-08-2021 07:07 AM

The Aviate messaging seems more of a broad public message that all are welcome to come visit the cockpit and consider our profession. If it gets highly qualified individuals interested from non-traditional aviation backgrounds into the program at the ground level then we’re casting a bigger net and getting potential great pilots. That’s not a bad thing.

This profession is less accessible than many for so many reasons and has historically been passed down father to son pretty often. I sometimes feel like the odd man out not having a father who was in the industry. That’s sort of telling.

Aviate’s diversity aim is a fraction of a fraction of our future hiring, literally. It’s one source and anyone in that pipeline has to meet the same high standards we all meet once they (eventually, having met all requirements) set foot in a cockpit on the line for UAL.


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