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04-19-2021, 08:59 AM
#51
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Originally Posted by Oletimer
All of the above.
ALPA National signed it. Their professional negotiators did the work. Someone has to wear the pants. But, true statement, Jay Panarello was in charge of MEC at that time.
ALPA's public position was one level of safety. However, they negotiated away the safety rest seat for pilots to get crew rest in. Clearly, safety was for sale.
ALPA National signed it. Their professional negotiators did the work. Someone has to wear the pants. But, true statement, Jay Panarello was in charge of MEC at that time.
ALPA's public position was one level of safety. However, they negotiated away the safety rest seat for pilots to get crew rest in. Clearly, safety was for sale.
04-19-2021, 09:42 AM
#52
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Originally Posted by Oletimer
One big benefit is likely seniority. That's all I can think of.
04-19-2021, 10:20 AM
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Originally Posted by JoePatroni
It was pure coincidence, of course, that the biggest block of voters was the 737 community and they KEPT their first class rest seat. TS and JM must be so proud of themselves.
If you're a wide body pilot today, or tomorrow, that should be something you keep in mind. The NC rarely has widebody pilots on it.
04-19-2021, 10:37 AM
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Originally Posted by Oletimer
I think that's accurate. On that note. All contracts seem to be written for the narrowbody fleets. Its the easiest way to get 50% plus 1. Why spend negotiating capital on votes that really don't hurt the goal? If your goal is to get a TA passed, and make sure the TA meets management goals of saving X, then that's what you do. Screw the rest of the pilots..You don't need their vote anyway.
If you're a wide body pilot today, or tomorrow, that should be something you keep in mind. The NC rarely has widebody pilots on it.
If you're a wide body pilot today, or tomorrow, that should be something you keep in mind. The NC rarely has widebody pilots on it.
04-19-2021, 12:22 PM
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Originally Posted by C11DCA
legacy United narrowbody pilots would dispute your assertion about who the contracts are written for. Our BK contract was so tilted against the narrowbodies, hence the LCO work rules we had.
Good info.
04-19-2021, 01:54 PM
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Originally Posted by Airhoss
The guppy is a cramped, underperforming, underpowered, under winged, over stretched, ridiculously fast approach speed, noisy POS, that should have been retired decades ago. It’s without a doubt the worst airframe we have at UAL.
And it’s a POS that pays the bills.
And it’s a POS that pays the bills.
04-19-2021, 02:12 PM
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Originally Posted by Oletimer
I think that's accurate.
I slept in coach on the way back from London in a 767 and had FC during a 737 Caribbean turn.
While a pilot was sleeping in coach, a passenger once put some beer cans on the tray table and took a picture.
CAL sucked. I’m so glad we merged.
04-19-2021, 09:30 PM
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Originally Posted by doubles
A lot of really good responses have come from this discussion, and I don’t disagree big picture, so I probably should just let it go, but since this is APC:
If a pilot comes from Spirit or another similar ULCC are they allowed to broadcast “I hope I get an Airbus” in your world?
If a pilot comes from Spirit or another similar ULCC are they allowed to broadcast “I hope I get an Airbus” in your world?
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