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Old 06-13-2021 | 07:29 PM
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I wonder if doctors and medical research scientist have a forum where they break down aviation stories and explain to each other how things work and how they should be done.
Old 06-13-2021 | 07:32 PM
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Originally Posted by JamesBond
You are buying into the fear porn spouted by CNN. It is well over 99% survivable. I am living proof. My 86 year old mother in law is proof. My wife id proof as well as many other members of my family.

How do you know that the 'swollen arm' is not symptomatic of something more serious that these vaccines could cause later on? You don't.

And 6 months??? for a vaccine method that has NEVER been used nor successful in animals much less humans and you are willing to roll up sleeves for that? Amazing.
All current COVID vaccines in the US conducted animal trials concurrently with human trials.
Old 06-13-2021 | 07:52 PM
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Originally Posted by JamesBond
You are buying into the fear porn spouted by CNN. It is well over 99% survivable.
Numbers vary, but certainly somewhere in the 98%-99.x% range survivable- rates not as favorable for avoiding hospitalization or lung damage, though. Also, the vaccine is effectively 100% survivable, so who’s buying into fear porn?

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And 6 months??? for a vaccine method that has NEVER been used nor successful in animals much less humans and you are willing to roll up sleeves for that? Amazing.
I’m not following you here. These vaccines have undergone human trials and been administered to humans numbering in the hundreds of millions with excellent results in terms of safety & efficacy. Where are you coming up with “never been used in humans”?
Old 06-13-2021 | 08:37 PM
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Originally Posted by Hedley
I wonder if doctors and medical research scientist have a forum where they break down aviation stories and explain to each other how things work and how they should be done.
This post is hilarious, Well played, sir!!
Old 06-13-2021 | 08:52 PM
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Originally Posted by Hedley
I wonder if doctors and medical research scientist have a forum where they break down aviation stories and explain to each other how things work and how they should be done.
Funny post, but actually yes, it’s called Twitter. I remember reading “insert name, MD” months back give their opinion on passenger travel with a complete lack of understanding of how fresh air is continuously filtered through the cabin.

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Old 06-14-2021 | 05:09 AM
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Originally Posted by Larry in TN
How do you know that there isn't something more serious that COVID could cause later on? We don't.

What we do know is that the short-term risk from the vaccines is far less than the short-term risk from COVID and the sample-size of those vaccinated is nearly ten times higher than those who've had COVID.
Whataboutism. I am not concerned about short term rick from vaccines. I am concerned about the repeated exposure to them that will probably be required. I can't do anything about having been exposed to covid. I had it. Can't change that. Why would I want to double down and add another unknown to that?
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Originally Posted by ThumbsUp
All current COVID vaccines in the US conducted animal trials concurrently with human trials.
RIght. Concurrently. And you are good with that?
Old 06-14-2021 | 05:23 AM
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Originally Posted by hummingbear
Numbers vary, but certainly somewhere in the 98%-99.x% range survivable- rates not as favorable for avoiding hospitalization or lung damage, though. Also, the vaccine is effectively 100% survivable, so who’s buying into fear porn?
Basically we are arguing decimal points here. I guess my point is coming from someone that has had covid and survived. I don't understand the push for me and others like me to get vaccinated. The purpose of a vaccine is to render the body to a state where it fights off the disease in question. I have antibodies. What else would the vaccine do for me? Don't you find it interesting that the 'requirement' to do ________ is "Have you been vaccinated"? Why? Shouldn't that question be; "Do you have antibodies"? I trust God's version of immunity far better than corporate pharma and certainly than Saint Fauci. That guy has told more lies than Bernie Madoff and flip flopped more than Lebron James. The fear porn are all those that bought into the CNN body count. People die every day. Why? Did more people die because of covid or with covid? The amount of disinformation render that very question unanswerable. Influenza A flu deaths were down compared to a normal year. Other deaths were also down. Why? Because we washed our hands and stayed 6 feet apart? There might be a modicum of truth in that, but again it is a decimal place. The real truth is probably more that covid was blamed for everything from actual covid to motorcycle wrecks.

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I’m not following you here. These vaccines have undergone human trials and been administered to humans numbering in the hundreds of millions with excellent results in terms of safety & efficacy. Where are you coming up with “never been used in humans”?
Name one other mRNA vaccine that has been administered in humans. The human trials are ongoing as we speak. Round 2 will be in the fall. I won't be participating in that one either.
Old 06-14-2021 | 06:38 AM
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Originally Posted by hummingbear
These vaccines have ... been administered to humans numbering in the hundreds of millions
Well over one-billion now.

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Why would I want to double down and add another unknown to that?
To reduce the risk of serious consequences from COVID.
Old 06-14-2021 | 06:43 AM
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I guess my point is coming from someone that has had covid and survived. I don't understand the push for me and others like me to get vaccinated.
We’ve been through this. If you’ve recovered from COVID you’re among the last people I’m worried about getting vaccinated. Science does still have many questions about immunity strength & timelines, though, & until those answers become more concrete through the scientific process- which takes time- just expect that a lot of businesses are not going to accept your faith in God’s plan as justification to admit you into their establishments. I like the idea of antibody testing, but it does require a big buildup of infrastructure & resources; & since only around 10% of the country has been confirmed COVID positive, I wouldn’t hold my breath that such a buildup will be forthcoming with any expediency. You’re part of a relatively small minority & the focus is still very much on the macro at this point.
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The real truth is probably more that covid was blamed for everything from actual covid to motorcycle wrecks.
You have to be really selective in what you listen to to believe this. 600K dead in this country alone in a year. That’s a lot of mysterious motorcycle crashes. I’m sure there have been plenty of deaths recorded as COVID that could have more accurately been attributed to a different cause, but science deals in aggregate trends- not anecdotal incidents. There’s just no realistic way to believe that this pandemic is attributable to creative record keeping. You criticize those who are being led astray by fear mongers, but you should listen to how you sound when you suggest a massive conspiracy by Anthony Fauci & the combined (and unassociated) global health care system.
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Name one other mRNA vaccine that has been administered in humans.
​​​​​​​These are the first mRNA vaccines to be widely distributed, but mRNA vaccines HAVE been tested in human trials before over the past few years for diseases like influenza & Zika.
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