Thedude86

I’m not suggesting the vaccines don’t work at all. I’m just saying it’s obvious that most of the restrictions and mandates are profit driven. Why are we one of the only countries in the world requiring masks in schools? It’s fine to promote the vaccines, but they should also promote other proven treatments as well. If he really cared purely about public safety he would make the vaccine recipes available for poorer areas that need them much more than we do and would also advocate for all treatments that are recommended in numerous other countries per the NIH managed pubmed.

It’s hard to get me to play along with ridiculous inconsistent rules when the ones calling the shots are such obvious hypocrites. Almost every person in power has broken their own rules over the last year and a half. Lead by example.

hummingbear

Ok, first you claim with no proof that Biden is mandating vaccines to enrich himself, now he’s making money on mask mandates, too? Not even sure how that works- I guess he’s in the pockets of big mask? I’m sure this plays very well in certain circles, but the conversation should be focused on weighing the effectiveness and potential benefit of a policy against its total cost. This is a baseless red herring that makes little sense.

I dislike hypocrisy too, but it only condemns the guilty party, not the underlying principle. If I tell my kids not to drink & drive but I do it myself, it doesn’t mean drunk driving is a good idea, it only means I don’t practice what I preach.

If Gavin Newsom breaks his own COVID rules it means he should be held to account- it doesn’t mean the rules become invalid.

Thedude86

I think up until 2020 it was pretty much common knowledge that most politicians are lobbied hardcore by drug companies. Do you have a better explanation for why he won’t give other countries that need vaccines the recipe even though he’s been perfectly legally able to for the last several months? It is a proven fact now that he received bribes while he was Vice President. Even CNN admitted so and they’re the most trusted name in news.

I don’t think he’s profiting off masks directly. He’s just looking out for his lobbying buddies. A big reason why masks in schools (only in this country) is because the American Academy of Pediatricians recommended so to the CDC and White House. On their own website it shows their primary source of funding is Pfizer. You honestly don’t think Pfizer has an interest in telling kids they have to wear a mask unless their vaccinated? Or they have to wear a mask until they’re eligible and then have to get the vaccine?

Please explain why else Joey Bribes won’t let other desperate countries have access the vaccine make up and also why other countries aren’t requiring their kids to wear masks in schools?

And the fact that so many politicians break their own rules over and over again just shows how little they’re worried about it. If they were as worried as what they preach they would willfully obey their own rules. As recent as two days ago Nancy Pelosi, AOC, and close to 100 others were all jam packed together. Only ONE had a mask on in the entire group. As soon as it was “official” photo shoot time all the masks came on. They don’t care. It’s all for show. The only people that are actually scared are the people that vote for them. The politicians aren’t scared one bit.

fadec

But he can dictate policies for private business and citizens. Makes perfect sense.

hummingbear

I’m sorry, you don’t get to keep pushing this corruption scandal narrative and pretend it’s the only possible conclusion. “Anyone can see”, & “It’s just common sense” are just code words for “There is no proof”. You’re very committed to this theory about the vaccine formula & Africa as though it’s iron clad proof of something nefarious. (I’ve never heard this theory before, which makes me think you got it from Tucker Carlson or the internet’s conspiracy theory peddling propagandist du jour.) The reality is, I don’t know how those dots connect & neither do you, but they far from prove anything.

We seem to both be in agreement that vaccines save lives, and therefore mandates would by extension do the same. The question, then- the only question- is whether those lives justify the imposition to the individual of a vaccine mandate. All this talk about Joey Bribes is just a distraction.

Case in point, your example of Nancy Pelosi & AOC. I’m assuming you don’t take their opinions as authoritative on matters of science. If they wore masks religiously, it wouldn’t convince you that masks were important, so if they wear masks inconsistently, that also shouldn’t convince you that masks are unimportant. Their hypocrisy tells us nothing other than that they are hypocrites; which really doesn’t help us make decisions on the value or ethics of a vaccine mandate. Your personal feelings on AOC, Joe Biden, Rand Paul, or MTG are as irrelevant as mine.

Thedude86

I mostly agree with your last point. The point I’m trying to make is that the ones that tell us to be fearful the most are not scared one bit themselves. They don’t take it as seriously as they want us to take it. I could forgive them if they forgot a mask here and there, but when they only follow the rules when they think the cameras are on, it shows me that their true feelings and what they portray to the public are two different worlds.

And you’re right. There is no proof Joey Bribes is paid off… this time. I never said it was certain. I said it was a guess given some of the decisions he’s made and advocated for. Currently, there really is no other explanation. His history as Vice President and some of his current policies make it look pretty suspicious. Even vaccine mandate aside. Yes, neither one of us know how to connect the dots as you say, but when you look at it from a financial perspective it starts to make a lot more sense. Maybe I’m wrong, but right now there is nothing else that seems likely.

That’s not really a dig specifically only at Joey. Politicians have been in big pharmas pocket for eternity. Both left and right. That’s why we have the most corrupt and expensive healthcare system in the world and unfortunately I don’t think that will ever change. Up until 2020 everyone was in agreement on this. But for the last year and a half some people now believe big pharma has had a change of heart and is strictly looking out for the common good regardless of profits. Although, I don’t see anything threatening their profits anytime soon.

Igniter

If cases have gone up 300% now from a year ago. When a year ago we had no vaccine or barely any vaccine and now we are around 2/3 -3/4 of our population vaccinated. I would have to say the vaccines are not working. I would also say that the closer we get to 100% vaccinated, the closer we get to a study that will have minimal to no control group to compare at 1, 3, 5, and 10 years down the road. You know, like every feasible prior to 2020.

JurgenKlopp

Go away…….

BobbyLakes

OR, and hold on to your hat because this is going to blow your mind, because vaccinations didn’t get into enough arms fast enough, we have allowed the virus to mutate to variants with a much higher contagion factor. If you aren’t familiar with R0 Factor, maybe Google can help you with that.

Thedude86

Variants were already out. Moderna’s CEO said back in January that Covid is here to stay and never going away.