Originally Posted by Hedley;[url=tel:3270302

3270302]Why not let those who chose not to get vaccinated deal with the consequences of their decision? If they get COVID and don’t have the antibodies from either a previous exposure or the vaccine, then that’s their problem. It’s still a virus with a very low mortality rate, yet we act like it is certain death. It affects our lives because we let it. More mask mandates and restrictions will give the illusion of doing something, but it won’t change much. If the unvaccinated want to roll the dice, I say let them.

Originally Posted by ERAUAV8TR

Your job is a direct reflection of the vaccination rate it is not reflection of who smokes and drinks. We don’t lockdown for drinking problems. This is gonna go on for a long time until people start waking up.

Originally Posted by ERAUAV8TR

my fears are unfounded? As I literally book another flight to go to a pilots funeral!

Originally Posted by Grumpyaviator

The label of “unvaccinated” assumes there’s no protection. Many of the unvaccinated I know, including myself and my family, have tested positive for both the virus and antibodies, and based on the information from our doctors, research from universities and studies of hospitals, we feel there is no added benefit to our health or those around us by getting the vax. There’s no rolling the dice, if you’ve been infected in the past you’re protected.

If I hadn’t been infected at some point I’d reconsider my position, but there’s no need for me to now, other than to appease pro-vaxxers, or to comply so we can get rid of the masks and get back to normal. I have no plans to get an unneeded shot for the purpose of earning back liberties that should’ve never been taken.

Originally Posted by Hedley;[url=tel:3270346

3270346[/url]]We are more or less saying the same thing. Prior infections and the vaccine both provide protection. Even without antibodies present, at this point people have had time to make their choice, and it is still a very low mortality virus. It’s our individual choice, not the government’s. If people want to go on with or without the antibodies, we should let them, not further restrict everyone.

Originally Posted by Grumpyaviator

double thumbs up.

Originally Posted by ThumbsUp

. If the vaccine just makes this a cold for people, we can start just putting this stuff in the rear view mirror.

Originally Posted by Aquaticus

Those are %'s of verified covid patients and not Bubba who had the "China virus" slamming beer cans on his boat. The argument "that I already had covid" is largely expecting us to trust their self diagnoses. It only seems to be coming from the extremist political type trying to make an anti-science argument. How did this hypothetical person verify that they had covid? Did they get the antibody test or are we basing this on a few sniffles? The testing for covid had a lot of false positives early on so how much weight are we throwing behind Bubba and his self diagnosed "China virus" to get the libs? I have flown with one of these "had it" types and he subsequently quarantined the whole crew after he got the real one.

Calling the delta variant far less dangerous when it has an R value optimistically around 5, is still mutating, and huge countries don't yet have widespread vaccine coverage... it discredits your whole post. We have the vaccine, data, and research to disprove most conspiracy claims and yet we arguing semantics with tin foil hatters. The sound bytes from Breitbart, OAN, fox are discredited with a simple two second search. This is going to continue to affect lives, children's education and their social development, and people will continue to get sick when we have the resources to stop this thing. Why are we coddling people that refuse a vaccine on pure hysterics from political extremists? I am absolutely baffled.

Originally Posted by Aquaticus

Those are %'s of verified covid patients and not Bubba who had the "China virus" slamming beer cans on his boat. The argument "that I already had covid" is largely expecting us to trust their self diagnoses. It only seems to be coming from the extremist political type trying to make an anti-science argument. How did this hypothetical person verify that they had covid? Did they get the antibody test or are we basing this on a few sniffles? The testing for covid had a lot of false positives early on so how much weight are we throwing behind Bubba and his self diagnosed "China virus" to get the libs? I have flown with one of these "had it" types and he subsequently quarantined the whole crew after he got the real one.

Calling the delta variant far less dangerous when it has an R value optimistically around 5, is still mutating, and huge countries don't yet have widespread vaccine coverage... it discredits your whole post. We have the vaccine, data, and research to disprove most conspiracy claims and yet we arguing semantics with tin foil hatters. The sound bytes from Breitbart, OAN, fox are discredited with a simple two second search. This is going to continue to affect lives, children's education and their social development, and people will continue to get sick when we have the resources to stop this thing. Why are we coddling people that refuse a vaccine on pure hysterics from political extremists? I am absolutely baffled.