Originally Posted by rickair7777

CBA/RLA is not going to allow the company to "move" anyone as an accommodation... need to run a bid.

Originally Posted by fadec

ALPA folded on this. Mandatory vaccines are a new thing. They are not contractual yet we gained nothing in return and placed no constraints on the company going forward. I'm not talking about the now defunct LOA, which gained a few bucks for some and kept the vax optional for others. This is a totally different game they're playing this time. The shot took folks out of flying for 48 hours and many had effects during that time period that would yeild a sick call. So what are the rules going forward? No pay for the mandatory shot? No work for a few days? Use your own sick time?

PS. I realize I'm a bit premature here. ALPA did say they're renegotiating with the company and that will take time. I'd imagine the company making such a promise would actually give them leverage. Hope they have our back on this.

Originally Posted by Flydafe

It sounds like United ALPA is going to start working with the pilots who have declined the vaccination after or just prior to the deadlines assuming they will file for their rightful exemptions. With such a small group of individuals they’ll be able to move them to domestic flights. The company cannot afford a 10 to 5% reduction in pilot staffing. There are unfilled 777 seats and a need to maintain/grow the 756 fleet. Reassigning 500-1000 pilots to customer service or ramp agents will not fix that

Originally Posted by LeeFXDWG

Really, what is it you’d like the UAL MEC to do? The mandate has been ruled legal by the EEOC and confirmed by the Appellate courts.

You still have a choice. If the decision is to not get the vaccine, you will have to deal with the results of that decision.

To say ALPA needs to waste money tilting at windmills is outrageous. Waste of dues money IMHO.

Originally Posted by Flydafe

It sounds like United ALPA is going to start working with the pilots who have declined the vaccination after or just prior to the deadlines assuming they will file for their rightful exemptions. With such a small group of individuals they’ll be able to move them to domestic flights. The company cannot afford a 10 to 5% reduction in pilot staffing. There are unfilled 777 seats and a need to maintain/grow the 756 fleet. Reassigning 500-1000 pilots to customer service or ramp agents will not fix that

Originally Posted by fadec

I'd like to see a lot, both for the vaxed and the unvaxed. I'd say more but negotiating in public is stupid. I actually wrote more and deleted it.

Originally Posted by CincoDeMayo

Hilarious how this is still the mantra for the unvaccinated.

The vaccine prevents infection in overwhelming numbers.
Not anymore. The vaccine is not effective at preventing spreading the delta variant
The non vaccinated have no prevention.
Except the 99.97% chance of being ok anyways.
Therefor the unvaccinated stand a much larger chance of getting Covid and spreading throughout the community.
now people with the vaccine can get the delta variant.

And for those who have had Covid, won’t be long before your “immunity” from previous variants dont hold up against new ones
Except that's not the case. People with the vaccine are getting the delta people with natural immunity are not being reported. Wonder why?
It’s all moot at this point now. Mandates are coming, get the vaccine or find a new career. So no reason to continue to try to convince those who haven’t.
yet here you are convincing people to get it. I agree its moot when it becomes mandatory at all airlines.

Just like a racehorse, sometimes you need to go to the whip. The whip is coming.

Originally Posted by rickair7777

But you have a much higher chance of infecting someone else who might be in a higher risk group. Employers have the right to mitigate that risk, and also the risk of the associated operational and financial disruption (government does not IMO).

Originally Posted by Oly2016

Well little johnny, getting a shot IS highly, highly effective at keeping people out of hospitals. That keeps more hospital beds open and available if I need it for any other reason.

Originally Posted by hoover

but everyone who wants a shot has had the opportunity. I'm no longer responsible for someone else's health