Two new hires fired?
#151
I bet a lot of the forged vaccine cards are like fake driver’s licenses showing the 18 year old is 21. Usually pretty easy to spot. Even most bartenders can spot it. AOC likely could.
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Also most of the vaccine sites used appointments, collected your medical insurance info, and updated your records. 100% of them kept a record of your name for liability reasons. My card also has my DOB and insurance number... photoshop is not hard to spot or prove if you pay an expert to check it out.
IMO really the only "safe" fake would be a legit card that had all the supporting background data and was provided to you by a vaccination site worker... so everything but actually getting the jab. That would be hard to disprove. I'm sure you could pay *somebody* to do that... if you could solicit the right person without getting reported to the FBI.
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#155
not really.
employer request proof of vaccination. Prospective employee provides CDC card. That alone is not consent to release medical records from a provider. The employer could request a release similar to PRIA records. I don’t know what new hires have to fill out these days but it certainly was not part of the FT upload exercise.
i am not advocating for people to fake things. But there is really no easy way to wholesale check all records.
yes, they can start digging if there is a suspicion but it isn’t easy to do it at scale.
employer request proof of vaccination. Prospective employee provides CDC card. That alone is not consent to release medical records from a provider. The employer could request a release similar to PRIA records. I don’t know what new hires have to fill out these days but it certainly was not part of the FT upload exercise.
i am not advocating for people to fake things. But there is really no easy way to wholesale check all records.
yes, they can start digging if there is a suspicion but it isn’t easy to do it at scale.
Software exists and is widely used by teachers and professors, which cross checks essays for plagiarism. They use AI to find snippets of essays which match known essays for sale on the internet. Most of them are even good at catching paraphrased sentences which are plagiarized.
It would be very easy for an airline to use such software to match fake vaccination cards being sold on the internet. This would obviate the need to even ask for medical records. Judging by the heavy hitting "proctor software" being used on the Hogan right now, United is probably aware of the ways colleges prevent people from cheating and uses these techniques.
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If you got the fake online will they have an option to use a template from your local vaccine site? Or do you have to explain how you got vaccinated in Albany, NY when you live in SFO? Or while you were on a west-coast 4-day?
Also most of the vaccine sites used appointments, collected your medical insurance info, and updated your records. 100% of them kept a record of your name for liability reasons. My card also has my DOB and insurance number... photoshop is not hard to spot or prove if you pay an expert to check it out.
IMO really the only "safe" fake would be a legit card that had all the supporting background data and was provided to you by a vaccination site worker... so everything but actually getting the jab. That would be hard to disprove. I'm sure you could pay *somebody* to do that... if you could solicit the right person without getting reported to the FBI.
Also most of the vaccine sites used appointments, collected your medical insurance info, and updated your records. 100% of them kept a record of your name for liability reasons. My card also has my DOB and insurance number... photoshop is not hard to spot or prove if you pay an expert to check it out.
IMO really the only "safe" fake would be a legit card that had all the supporting background data and was provided to you by a vaccination site worker... so everything but actually getting the jab. That would be hard to disprove. I'm sure you could pay *somebody* to do that... if you could solicit the right person without getting reported to the FBI.
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The answer doesn't have to be too granular. ... a TK instructor, someone who works in HR, etc. Not that hard to provide a reasonable answer
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#160
Not tracking on your reply. The Union cannot stop the company from making such a mandate. What is negotiated as a result of the mandate is yet to be seen.
Standing by for more from the MEC.
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