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Old 08-08-2021 | 09:58 PM
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Originally Posted by hercretired
how do you even "forge" a vaccine card.

never even heard that this was a thing. idiots
I bet a lot of the forged vaccine cards are like fake driver’s licenses showing the 18 year old is 21. Usually pretty easy to spot. Even most bartenders can spot it. AOC likely could.
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Old 08-09-2021 | 01:49 AM
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Interesting read. It will be more interesting if the OP ever replies about how he sourced the information
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Old 08-09-2021 | 07:01 AM
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Originally Posted by TFAYD
sure if the fake is so bad that it refers to an non existent batch number.

But it will be much harder to catch if someone went through the trouble to copy a valid existing card - which isn’t all that much trouble with literally 200 Million cards out there
If you got the fake online will they have an option to use a template from your local vaccine site? Or do you have to explain how you got vaccinated in Albany, NY when you live in SFO? Or while you were on a west-coast 4-day?

Also most of the vaccine sites used appointments, collected your medical insurance info, and updated your records. 100% of them kept a record of your name for liability reasons. My card also has my DOB and insurance number... photoshop is not hard to spot or prove if you pay an expert to check it out.

IMO really the only "safe" fake would be a legit card that had all the supporting background data and was provided to you by a vaccination site worker... so everything but actually getting the jab. That would be hard to disprove. I'm sure you could pay *somebody* to do that... if you could solicit the right person without getting reported to the FBI.
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Old 08-09-2021 | 07:03 AM
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Originally Posted by captainchaotic
Interesting read. It will be more interesting if the OP ever replies about how he sourced the information
He probably can't do that because he's not supposed to share that kind of info. And I'm still not sure that anyone would be that dumb.
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Old 08-09-2021 | 07:26 AM
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Originally Posted by TFAYD
not really.

employer request proof of vaccination. Prospective employee provides CDC card. That alone is not consent to release medical records from a provider. The employer could request a release similar to PRIA records. I don’t know what new hires have to fill out these days but it certainly was not part of the FT upload exercise.

i am not advocating for people to fake things. But there is really no easy way to wholesale check all records.

yes, they can start digging if there is a suspicion but it isn’t easy to do it at scale.
Originally Posted by TFAYD
sure if the fake is so bad that it refers to an non existent batch number.

But it will be much harder to catch if someone went through the trouble to copy a valid existing card - which isn’t all that much trouble with literally 200 Million cards out there
Have any of you ever raised a teenager? Taken an online college course? Taught a course? One of my best friends is a professor and dean at his college.

Software exists and is widely used by teachers and professors, which cross checks essays for plagiarism. They use AI to find snippets of essays which match known essays for sale on the internet. Most of them are even good at catching paraphrased sentences which are plagiarized.

It would be very easy for an airline to use such software to match fake vaccination cards being sold on the internet. This would obviate the need to even ask for medical records. Judging by the heavy hitting "proctor software" being used on the Hogan right now, United is probably aware of the ways colleges prevent people from cheating and uses these techniques.
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Old 08-09-2021 | 08:05 AM
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Originally Posted by LuvsTacos
Deleted post because I do not care
You cared enough to post this and then go back and delete it, and that's more than I did by posting this and I also don't even care.
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Old 08-09-2021 | 08:07 AM
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Originally Posted by rickair7777
If you got the fake online will they have an option to use a template from your local vaccine site? Or do you have to explain how you got vaccinated in Albany, NY when you live in SFO? Or while you were on a west-coast 4-day?

Also most of the vaccine sites used appointments, collected your medical insurance info, and updated your records. 100% of them kept a record of your name for liability reasons. My card also has my DOB and insurance number... photoshop is not hard to spot or prove if you pay an expert to check it out.

IMO really the only "safe" fake would be a legit card that had all the supporting background data and was provided to you by a vaccination site worker... so everything but actually getting the jab. That would be hard to disprove. I'm sure you could pay *somebody* to do that... if you could solicit the right person without getting reported to the FBI.
It’s funny how sham businesses are just being created to make fake cards. Unless they are going to verify the individual lots, a fake one you filled out by hand for free is no less fake than one that you bought on the internet.
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Old 08-09-2021 | 08:10 AM
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Originally Posted by rickair7777
He probably can't do that because he's not supposed to share that kind of info. And I'm still not sure that anyone would be that dumb.
The answer doesn't have to be too granular. ... a TK instructor, someone who works in HR, etc. Not that hard to provide a reasonable answer
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Old 08-09-2021 | 08:37 AM
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Originally Posted by Andy
The answer doesn't have to be too granular. ... a TK instructor, someone who works in HR, etc. Not that hard to provide a reasonable answer
A new hire chat group reported it. F/O showed me the post, checked with a source from TK who also confirms that it happened.

No other details.
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Old 08-09-2021 | 09:38 AM
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Originally Posted by SonicFlyer
So? The union should stand up for pilots and demand that the company drop the requirement to receive the vaccine and make it optional.
Sonic

Not tracking on your reply. The Union cannot stop the company from making such a mandate. What is negotiated as a result of the mandate is yet to be seen.

Standing by for more from the MEC.
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