Vacancy 22-04V
11-30-2021, 02:34 PM
#221
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Originally Posted by duvie
there isn’t a problem getting bodies in WB seats. The company is full steam ahead in training new hires on both WB fleets. Again, anything that makes WB FO more attractive is counter productive to staffing NB CA seats.
None of the people that I fly with on the 737 even mention reserve as a reason for staying in the right seat. Several could be line holding captains, but still don’t want it. They all say that the amount of premium trips that they are picking up and double dipping when training buys trips offsets the difference in pay. Why give up 20% seniority to upgrade to 80% without any substantial difference in pay?
12-01-2021, 03:38 AM
#224
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Originally Posted by Hedley
We’ve had unfilled WB vacancies too. I’d say that the biggest factor there is the unknown with when that flying will stabilize. Others are holding out for the WB fleets, but only when they are senior enough to hold a flying seat since training never buys IRO trips.
None of the people that I fly with on the 737 even mention reserve as a reason for staying in the right seat. Several could be line holding captains, but still don’t want it. They all say that the amount of premium trips that they are picking up and double dipping when training buys trips offsets the difference in pay. Why give up 20% seniority to upgrade to 80% without any substantial difference in pay?
None of the people that I fly with on the 737 even mention reserve as a reason for staying in the right seat. Several could be line holding captains, but still don’t want it. They all say that the amount of premium trips that they are picking up and double dipping when training buys trips offsets the difference in pay. Why give up 20% seniority to upgrade to 80% without any substantial difference in pay?
12-01-2021, 04:15 AM
#225
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Originally Posted by Hilltopper89
The short answer is because this won’t last forever. PP comes and goes. Last month in my category there was a ton. This month there is very little. When the White House declares rules to fight omicron there will be none.
12-01-2021, 04:24 AM
#226
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Originally Posted by Hedley
PP does fluctuate, but another factor is that most of our junior pilots have young kids at home and want to be in control of their schedules. A few more dollars and a stripe isn’t worth missing time at home when they’re young. Upgrading early will mean that you will be at the bottom of the sack for a long time while people who waited to make the move until they had more seniority bid on top of you. To each his own, but I’m sure glad that I postponed advancement until I was more senior. Being home every holiday and taking a month off for summer vacation was worth more than the money.
I totally agree about early upgrades. These pilots upgrading at 1.5 years will be junior for a very very long time. Reserve will be many years.
12-01-2021, 04:32 AM
#227
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Originally Posted by Hilltopper89
I don’t disagree with this at all. Many very valid reasons to delay. I was simply replying to the comment about the ability to make as much money in the right seat as the left. This past summer I was flying with new FOs who were on 100% premium and making close to or more than I was. This will go away and likely pretty quickly. There simply will be no ability to close that gap by picking up especially at straight pay. Your post was about the fact that they don’t want it because they can make just as much in the right seat.
I totally agree about early upgrades. These pilots upgrading at 1.5 years will be junior fur a very very long time. Reserve will be many years.
I totally agree about early upgrades. These pilots upgrading at 1.5 years will be junior fur a very very long time. Reserve will be many years.
12-01-2021, 05:38 AM
#228
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Originally Posted by Hedley
There are definitely many factors. Another one is that many of the first that I fly with have military pensions. They’ve missed out on so much being on deployments that they’re over that. It’s all about time at home and with two sources of income, it’s very easy to stay in the right seat and cherry pick when they want to work. They’ve definitely earned it.
12-01-2021, 05:42 AM
#229
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Originally Posted by Hilltopper89
Absolutely. I happen to be retired mil as well. That’s the great part about this job…we can each choose our own paths.
12-01-2021, 06:10 AM
#230
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Originally Posted by Hedley
There are also people like myself who will be leaving NB captain seats to go back to the right seat of a heavy when their training freeze is up.
I’d rather fly one leg to the gym and happy hour than the garbage they are pumping out in the name of efficiency.
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