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Old 06-22-2022 | 06:08 AM
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That’s awesome. Good for you guys. Certainly doesn’t work that way for me.
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Old 06-22-2022 | 06:25 AM
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The pros and cons of both places have been discussed pretty extensively. While the pay and retirement is probably better at UPS one of the random drawbacks at UPS is you have less options. At United you can choose to bid larger equipment for pay or you can choose to stay and get senior pretty quickly on a narrow body. There are also way more bases and equipment types at United. At UPS since it is pay to seniority there is a lot less movement, mostly just do to retirements and expansion. Basically at United you can choose to bid for pay or you can choose to bid for seniority. At UPS your seniority progression will just naturally happen but your pay will be good while you wait.
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Old 06-22-2022 | 06:49 AM
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Originally Posted by Naven
The pros and cons of both places have been discussed pretty extensively. While the pay and retirement is probably better at UPS one of the random drawbacks at UPS is you have less options. At United you can choose to bid larger equipment for pay or you can choose to stay and get senior pretty quickly on a narrow body. There are also way more bases and equipment types at United. At UPS since it is pay to seniority there is a lot less movement, mostly just do to retirements and expansion. Basically at United you can choose to bid for pay or you can choose to bid for seniority. At UPS your seniority progression will just naturally happen but your pay will be good while you wait.
The seniority progression at UPS usually comes from the many early retirees. Some folks also decide our FO rates are good enough for their lifestyle and enjoy the senior schedules. One of the best options is Z flying. U can choose to fly round the world trips or strictly Hawaii or week on/week off domestic flying all without changing aircraft or domiciles. Lots of variety, altho many find their niche early on and stick with it.
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Old 06-24-2022 | 01:02 PM
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Originally Posted by tnkrdrvr
Ive never calculated how much is daylight vs night. The 76 flying in Europe is at night, which translates to daylight hours for those who live on the East Coast. In other words, you never have to shift your schedule unless you are living in Europe.
Do you not have days off in country?
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Old 06-24-2022 | 01:05 PM
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Originally Posted by jetlaggy
The seniority progression at UPS usually comes from the many early retirees. Some folks also decide our FO rates are good enough for their lifestyle and enjoy the senior schedules. One of the best options is Z flying. U can choose to fly round the world trips or strictly Hawaii or week on/week off domestic flying all without changing aircraft or domiciles. Lots of variety, altho many find their niche early on and stick with it.
Is the week on week off dayish flying or all nighters?
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Old 06-24-2022 | 01:05 PM
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Originally Posted by Gilligan13
Do you not have days off in country?
yes but doesnt matter...get up and go to sleep on edt
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Old 06-24-2022 | 01:08 PM
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Originally Posted by Gilligan13
Is the week on week off dayish flying or all nighters?
Both. Pick what you like and your seniority can hold
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Old 06-24-2022 | 03:09 PM
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Originally Posted by Gilligan13
Do you not have days off in country?
Z guys tend to have long weekends in Cologne. I’m guessing somewhere in the range of 36-48 hours. Probably varies depending on length of trip you bid. Like everywhere, the optimizer is sucking the magic out of Europe.
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Old 06-24-2022 | 03:47 PM
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Originally Posted by Swedish Blender
What others fail to realize is the diversity of flying. I spent 10 years flying two weeks on/off. Those 2 weeks on would consist of 5 legs @10-12 hours with multiple days in HNL, SYD and somewhere in Asia. Mix of day and night outside the window.

And I can compare. Family member is a UA captain.
Exactly, I've been here 3 years and even though I have had some grueling week long night trips. I have flown a day time since year one, now I fly almost exclusively day time trips and I get miles on my preferred airline. Looking forward to more improvement in scheduling, no where is perfect.
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Old 06-24-2022 | 04:08 PM
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Originally Posted by Hellafo
Exactly, I've been here 3 years and even though I have had some grueling week long night trips. I have flown a day time since year one, now I fly almost exclusively day time trips and I get miles on my preferred airline. Looking forward to more improvement in scheduling, no where is perfect.
hella.
I take it you're on the 76 then.
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