United vs UPS
06-14-2022 | 04:30 PM
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United vs UPS
What most people fail to look at is the toll flying night hub turns takes on a body. Sure, your “buddy” made more last year, but did the actual fatigue and wear and tear in the body really make up for it??? I only ask because I’ve never met a 70/75/80 year old ex cargo dude…. But I know a lot of ex airline pilots that still live active and healthy lives after retirement.
But yeah, go for the money - if that’s all you care about…
Not a Brown dude.
But, yes, I flew cargo at an MD11/MD10 purple tail rival.
flame away purple dudes….
But yeah, go for the money - if that’s all you care about…
Not a Brown dude.
But, yes, I flew cargo at an MD11/MD10 purple tail rival.
flame away purple dudes….
No flames necessary. This is why many opt to get out of hub turns asap and do either international (which has its own issues) or day flying. At least at FDX it’s something that can be done relatively early in seniority progression. We even have new hires going directly into the 777 who will never do anything but long haul international in their entire career!
06-14-2022 | 04:33 PM
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What most people fail to look at is the toll flying night hub turns takes on a body. Sure, your “buddy” made more last year, but did the actual fatigue and wear and tear in the body really make up for it??? I only ask because I’ve never met a 70/75/80 year old ex cargo dude…. But I know a lot of ex airline pilots that still live active and healthy lives after retirement.
But yeah, go for the money - if that’s all you care about…
Not a Brown dude.
But, yes, I flew cargo at an MD11/MD10 purple tail rival.
flame away purple dudes….
But yeah, go for the money - if that’s all you care about…
Not a Brown dude.
But, yes, I flew cargo at an MD11/MD10 purple tail rival.
flame away purple dudes….
06-14-2022 | 06:48 PM
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What you’re hearing is correct. United usually you’ll fly 3-4 day trips. Summer time gone about 18 days a month, less the rest of the year. I just had lunch with a UPS buddy who hired on same time as me. He’s blocked 20% less time his total career there than me, and made 33% more than me on his 2021 W2.
What most people fail to look at is the toll flying night hub turns takes on a body. Sure, your “buddy” made more last year, but did the actual fatigue and wear and tear in the body really make up for it??? I only ask because I’ve never met a 70/75/80 year old ex cargo dude…. But I know a lot of ex airline pilots that still live active and healthy lives after retirement.
But yeah, go for the money - if that’s all you care about…
Not a Brown dude.
But yeah, go for the money - if that’s all you care about…
Not a Brown dude.
I don't commute anymore, they both do. The DH/deviation bank takes a lot of stress out of that for them.
06-14-2022 | 11:11 PM
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Food for thought: United has an AIP that may become a TA very soon. UPS has a contract extension that became a TA today. In 2025 UPS captains would top out at $401/hr with an A plan worth $139,000/yr after 30 years (plus 12% B plan).
I’m really hoping United’s new TA blows those rates for UPS out of the water.
I’m really hoping United’s new TA blows those rates for UPS out of the water.
06-17-2022 | 06:52 PM
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What most people fail to look at is the toll flying night hub turns takes on a body. Sure, your “buddy” made more last year, but did the actual fatigue and wear and tear in the body really make up for it??? I only ask because I’ve never met a 70/75/80 year old ex cargo dude…. But I know a lot of ex airline pilots that still live active and healthy lives after retirement.
But yeah, go for the money - if that’s all you care about…
Not a Brown dude.
But, yes, I flew cargo at an MD11/MD10 purple tail rival.
flame away purple dudes….
But yeah, go for the money - if that’s all you care about…
Not a Brown dude.
But, yes, I flew cargo at an MD11/MD10 purple tail rival.
flame away purple dudes….
So yeah, if you bid for nothing besides night hub turns, it will wear you down. But day flying is widely available as long as you don't mind flying to EWR, DFW, OAK, ONT, LAX, SAT, MIA, PHX, JFK, PDX all the time.
Food for thought: United has an AIP that may become a TA very soon. UPS has a contract extension that became a TA today. In 2025 UPS captains would top out at $401/hr with an A plan worth $139,000/yr after 30 years (plus 12% B plan).
I’m really hoping United’s new TA blows those rates for UPS out of the water.
I’m really hoping United’s new TA blows those rates for UPS out of the water.
UPS 757 captains will be making $401/hr if their TA is ratified.
That's a big difference, especially with the higher guarantee at UPS.
06-17-2022 | 08:09 PM
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For context, that’s probably mostly because UPS has a blended rate. Their CURRENT 757 rates are far and above everyone else.
06-17-2022 | 08:10 PM
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06-17-2022 | 09:33 PM
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And I can compare. Family member is a UA captain.
06-17-2022 | 10:55 PM
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United vs UPS
UPS NB blows EVERYBODY’s NB pay out of the water. There is a reason for that. That’s all I’m saying, not that you cannot make a comparison. One just needs to understand the differentiators and the possible reasons for them.
06-18-2022 | 02:49 AM
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I fly less red-eyes at purple than my friends do at UAL/DAL. They've been at their jobs for years, working 4-5 more days per month than I do,. They're doing a redeye at the start or end of each trip, making 20-30% less, with no pension.
So yeah, if you bid for nothing besides night hub turns, it will wear you down. But day flying is widely available as long as you don't mind flying to EWR, DFW, OAK, ONT, LAX, SAT, MIA, PHX, JFK, PDX all the time.
It's looking like $403/hr for United's top rate but only $331/hr for their 757 captains.
UPS 757 captains will be making $401/hr if their TA is ratified.
That's a big difference, especially with the higher guarantee at UPS.
So yeah, if you bid for nothing besides night hub turns, it will wear you down. But day flying is widely available as long as you don't mind flying to EWR, DFW, OAK, ONT, LAX, SAT, MIA, PHX, JFK, PDX all the time.
It's looking like $403/hr for United's top rate but only $331/hr for their 757 captains.
UPS 757 captains will be making $401/hr if their TA is ratified.
That's a big difference, especially with the higher guarantee at UPS.
Will it be 403/hr 757? Doubtful. But don't compare a number that has yet to exist...
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