Agreement In Principle
05-13-2022 | 09:58 AM
#41
Guppy reserve EWR
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So how much has inflation gone up since we got our last contract?
And how much is inflation projected to go up before we get another contract?
That percentage is something I’d like to know. I’m hopeful, but I don’t think our increase will be close.
And how much is inflation projected to go up before we get another contract?
That percentage is something I’d like to know. I’m hopeful, but I don’t think our increase will be close.
05-13-2022 | 10:07 AM
#42
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From: SFO Guppy CA
I'm not even concerned about pay rates unless we get improvements in scope, section 20 (scheduling), R&I, etc. Pay (section 3) is one of the last things that I look at. It'll be what it's going to be and I will vote appropriately.
05-13-2022 | 10:32 AM
#43
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The 34% number is year over year. I haven't looked at 2019 to 2020 or 2020 to 2021.
Edit: found some numbers on the BLS website:
2020: -18.4%
2021 +1.4%
Those are airline ticket prices
Good questions.
CPI (I'm not using core CPI because no need to exclude food and energy over a longer period of time) from BLS statistics:
2019 2.3%
2020 1.4%
2021 7.0%
2022J .6%
F .8%
M 1.2%
A .3%
2019 through April 2022 Total: 13.6%
Projected CPI: well, the administration had told us that inflation was 'transitory' until recently. I don't think they've put out any updated forecasts.
I found a forecast from March 2022, but you'll laugh:
2022: 4.3% (we're already at 3.1% for the first four months of the year)
2023 2.7%
Like all government forecasts, these numbers are almost certainly WAY too optimistic.
CPI and airline ticket prices came from the bls website: https://www.bls.gov/
Feel free to check my work; no guarantees that there aren't any errors.
Edit: found some numbers on the BLS website:
2020: -18.4%
2021 +1.4%
Those are airline ticket prices
CPI (I'm not using core CPI because no need to exclude food and energy over a longer period of time) from BLS statistics:
2019 2.3%
2020 1.4%
2021 7.0%
2022J .6%
F .8%
M 1.2%
A .3%
2019 through April 2022 Total: 13.6%
Projected CPI: well, the administration had told us that inflation was 'transitory' until recently. I don't think they've put out any updated forecasts.
I found a forecast from March 2022, but you'll laugh:
2022: 4.3% (we're already at 3.1% for the first four months of the year)
2023 2.7%
Like all government forecasts, these numbers are almost certainly WAY too optimistic.
CPI and airline ticket prices came from the bls website: https://www.bls.gov/
Feel free to check my work; no guarantees that there aren't any errors.
05-13-2022 | 10:34 AM
#44
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From: guppy CA
Be prepared to be disappointed. Every new contract since I've been hired, the standard line has been something along the lines of: 'this is a money contract. We'll take care of the other sections on the next contract.' Get used to hearing that on every contract until you retire.
05-13-2022 | 10:39 AM
#45
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The 34% number is year over year. I haven't looked at 2019 to 2020 or 2020 to 2021.
Edit: found some numbers on the BLS website:
2020: -18.4%
2021 +1.4%
Those are airline ticket prices
Good questions.
CPI (I'm not using core CPI because no need to exclude food and energy over a longer period of time) from BLS statistics:
2019 2.3%
2020 1.4%
2021 7.0%
2022J .6%
F .8%
M 1.2%
A .3%
2019 through April 2022 Total: 13.6%
Projected CPI: well, the administration had told us that inflation was 'transitory' until recently. I don't think they've put out any updated forecasts.
I found a forecast from March 2022, but you'll laugh:
2022: 4.3% (we're already at 3.1% for the first four months of the year)
2023 2.7%
Like all government forecasts, these numbers are almost certainly WAY too optimistic.
CPI and airline ticket prices came from the bls website: https://www.bls.gov/
Feel free to check my work; no guarantees that there aren't any errors.
Edit: found some numbers on the BLS website:
2020: -18.4%
2021 +1.4%
Those are airline ticket prices
Good questions.
CPI (I'm not using core CPI because no need to exclude food and energy over a longer period of time) from BLS statistics:
2019 2.3%
2020 1.4%
2021 7.0%
2022J .6%
F .8%
M 1.2%
A .3%
2019 through April 2022 Total: 13.6%
Projected CPI: well, the administration had told us that inflation was 'transitory' until recently. I don't think they've put out any updated forecasts.
I found a forecast from March 2022, but you'll laugh:
2022: 4.3% (we're already at 3.1% for the first four months of the year)
2023 2.7%
Like all government forecasts, these numbers are almost certainly WAY too optimistic.
CPI and airline ticket prices came from the bls website: https://www.bls.gov/
Feel free to check my work; no guarantees that there aren't any errors.
05-13-2022 | 10:43 AM
#46
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From: guppy CA
05-13-2022 | 11:06 AM
#47
Guppy reserve EWR
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From: 737 FO
Agreement In Principle
The 34% number is year over year. I haven't looked at 2019 to 2020 or 2020 to 2021.
Edit: found some numbers on the BLS website:
2020: -18.4%
2021 +1.4%
Those are airline ticket prices
Good questions.
CPI (I'm not using core CPI because no need to exclude food and energy over a longer period of time) from BLS statistics:
2019 2.3%
2020 1.4%
2021 7.0%
2022J .6%
F .8%
M 1.2%
A .3%
2019 through April 2022 Total: 13.6%
Projected CPI: well, the administration had told us that inflation was 'transitory' until recently. I don't think they've put out any updated forecasts.
I found a forecast from March 2022, but you'll laugh:
2022: 4.3% (we're already at 3.1% for the first four months of the year)
2023 2.7%
Like all government forecasts, these numbers are almost certainly WAY too optimistic.
CPI and airline ticket prices came from the bls website: https://www.bls.gov/
Feel free to check my work; no guarantees that there aren't any errors.
Edit: found some numbers on the BLS website:
2020: -18.4%
2021 +1.4%
Those are airline ticket prices
Good questions.
CPI (I'm not using core CPI because no need to exclude food and energy over a longer period of time) from BLS statistics:
2019 2.3%
2020 1.4%
2021 7.0%
2022J .6%
F .8%
M 1.2%
A .3%
2019 through April 2022 Total: 13.6%
Projected CPI: well, the administration had told us that inflation was 'transitory' until recently. I don't think they've put out any updated forecasts.
I found a forecast from March 2022, but you'll laugh:
2022: 4.3% (we're already at 3.1% for the first four months of the year)
2023 2.7%
Like all government forecasts, these numbers are almost certainly WAY too optimistic.
CPI and airline ticket prices came from the bls website: https://www.bls.gov/
Feel free to check my work; no guarantees that there aren't any errors.
So if we get 20% increase in pay… we break even?
Almost.
05-13-2022 | 11:17 AM
#48
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From: 757/767 First Officer
05-13-2022 | 12:07 PM
#49
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The 34% number is year over year. I haven't looked at 2019 to 2020 or 2020 to 2021.
Edit: found some numbers on the BLS website:
2020: -18.4%
2021 +1.4%
Those are airline ticket prices
Good questions.
CPI (I'm not using core CPI because no need to exclude food and energy over a longer period of time) from BLS statistics:
2019 2.3%
2020 1.4%
2021 7.0%
2022J .6%
F .8%
M 1.2%
A .3%
2019 through April 2022 Total: 13.6%
Projected CPI: well, the administration had told us that inflation was 'transitory' until recently. I don't think they've put out any updated forecasts.
I found a forecast from March 2022, but you'll laugh:
2022: 4.3% (we're already at 3.1% for the first four months of the year)
2023 2.7%
Like all government forecasts, these numbers are almost certainly WAY too optimistic.
CPI and airline ticket prices came from the bls website: https://www.bls.gov/
Feel free to check my work; no guarantees that there aren't any errors.
Edit: found some numbers on the BLS website:
2020: -18.4%
2021 +1.4%
Those are airline ticket prices
Good questions.
CPI (I'm not using core CPI because no need to exclude food and energy over a longer period of time) from BLS statistics:
2019 2.3%
2020 1.4%
2021 7.0%
2022J .6%
F .8%
M 1.2%
A .3%
2019 through April 2022 Total: 13.6%
Projected CPI: well, the administration had told us that inflation was 'transitory' until recently. I don't think they've put out any updated forecasts.
I found a forecast from March 2022, but you'll laugh:
2022: 4.3% (we're already at 3.1% for the first four months of the year)
2023 2.7%
Like all government forecasts, these numbers are almost certainly WAY too optimistic.
CPI and airline ticket prices came from the bls website: https://www.bls.gov/
Feel free to check my work; no guarantees that there aren't any errors.
05-13-2022 | 12:25 PM
#50
Gets Weekends Off
Joined: Mar 2006
Posts: 1,112
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From: SFO Guppy CA
Be prepared to be disappointed. Every new contract since I've been hired, the standard line has been something along the lines of: 'this is a money contract. We'll take care of the other sections on the next contract.' Get used to hearing that on every contract until you retire.
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