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Old 11-26-2022, 06:27 AM
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Are all United pilots miserable?
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Old 11-26-2022, 01:00 PM
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Originally Posted by FAAFlyer View Post
I think our anger is better directed at our MEC. United management did a phenomenal job in getting the MEC to vote for an extremely substandard TA. United management also negotiates with many other entities. They seem to drive a tough bargain and that is good for our long term outlook. Our MEC on the other hand...
I concur wholeheartedly.

Management gonna do what management gonna do. As a former business owner of a transportation-related industry, my two biggest costs were labor and fuel. Everything else didn't come close.

SK and gang wouldn't be doing their jobs if they didn't try to get the best deal possible for the company.

Our MEC and NC are SUPPOSED to represent us and try to get the best deal possible for US. Obviously when you have the situation we find ourselves in, too many of those who were supposed to have our collective interests in mind were only worried about the best deal they could get for themselves.

So here we are.

Glad to see we are starting to head in the right direction, but it's gonna take time. At this point, I appreciate the company bouncing us the 5% from the pandemic LOA early, but that may be the last raise we see for a while...and I'm okay with that.

Some will argue about the time value of money now vs. money later, but I believe safety and our work rules are more important than money. Tumi TA was CONCESSIONARY with regard to so many rules currently on the books that we could not allow it to go through.

Section 3 will come eventually, but let's keep our focus on improving work rules/quality of life, not just the almighty dollar.
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Old 11-28-2022, 03:28 AM
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Is the NPDM a binding contractual process? Does company have to have union permission to open and or close bases?
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Old 11-28-2022, 03:32 AM
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Originally Posted by EwrRocks View Post
Is the NPDM a binding contractual process? Does company have to have union permission to open and or close bases?
nope.. the company can open and close bases at will so long as it complies with the UPA. The NDPM process is more of a process to collect recommendations from the union, but they don’t have to take any of the advice to proceed.
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Old 11-28-2022, 05:29 AM
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Originally Posted by EwrRocks View Post
Is the NPDM a binding contractual process? Does company have to have union permission to open and or close bases?
They would hold the bases hostage as leverage if that was the case. No dice on this one ALPA.
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Old 11-28-2022, 05:38 AM
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An idea I heard the other day was that the idea of a new "pilot domicile" could just be a carrot to get us to sign a **** poor contract. The company has done this in the past (possible MCO base that the "union" didn't want). I'm not going to attend any of the company meetings to show the company I could care less. I will wait and see what actually happens. However, personally I hope a new base will benefit all those that live around wherever that base may be!

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Old 11-28-2022, 07:50 AM
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Originally Posted by Snyper00 View Post
nope.. the company can open and close bases at will so long as it complies with the UPA. The NDPM process is more of a process to collect recommendations from the union, but they don’t have to take any of the advice to proceed.
If im union why wouldn’t I put up a big stink on them opening any new bases till a contract is done. May not be able to stop it, but could maybe effect the ultimate execution of them opening.
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Old 11-28-2022, 08:10 AM
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Originally Posted by EwrRocks View Post
If im union why wouldn’t I put up a big stink on them opening any new bases till a contract is done. May not be able to stop it, but could maybe effect the ultimate execution of them opening.
Because it’s just impotent rage at that point. The pilots who will be affected by it won’t avoid bidding it out of principle. They just won’t. I’ve flown with so many guys that were happy to sell out on RJ scope because they could get an easier jumpsea from KBFE, the union coming out against a (presumably Florida) new pilot base would just further schism the group.
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Old 11-28-2022, 09:14 AM
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Originally Posted by EwrRocks View Post
If im union why wouldn’t I put up a big stink on them opening any new bases till a contract is done. May not be able to stop it, but could maybe effect the ultimate execution of them opening.
As mentioned, because you’d look like a man-baby having a tantrum over perceived entitlement.

The NPDM is a collaborative process although it’s non-binding. See also, ANC, MIA, HNL, SEA
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Old 11-28-2022, 09:18 AM
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Originally Posted by EwrRocks View Post
Is the NPDM a binding contractual process? Does company have to have union permission to open and or close bases?
Advice to you and everyone on this forum, read the contract and know the answer because you know what’s in the CBA.
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