Couldn't agree with you more. Problem is our POS union leaders come out with survey questions like "would you rather cut your left arm off or your right leg?" . Um, how about neither, but there isn't an answer to bubble in for neither, you must pick one or the other.

 

Late reply-sorry.

1. New hire and yeah, my perception is that our union is embarrassing.

2. Tone down the comrade bull**** narrative. The guy who talked to our new hire class poorly represented the union and why a union was necessary. A pilot union makes sense from a safety aspect and a niche profession of extremely and expensively trained and maintained persons. Hit that, not the fellowship, fraternal, and comrade talk. I don’t need the emotional argument.

3. The union mentors have been great. Later, after probation, someone having my back if something goes south is going to feel comforting. For safety issues someone has to have our voice. To be clear, I believe a union is necessary in our profession.

4. The union folks conducting contract talks feels like a ****ing joke and worse it feels like a bunch of old crusty guys who are more concerned with fixing things up for them and no ****s given for the younger guys. “But you’ll have a better QOL in 10 years” doesn’t sound that great to me.

5. The lack of comm from previous committees seems to have driven this newer one to too actively seek information and it creates wasted time. At this point, ask for the moon, use the Delta contract as the benchmark, and find a place somewhere between the moon and the Delta contract.

6. Frankly, it looks like management is frustrated dealing with amateur hour. …and it does look like amateur hour.

Look, I’m a non voting/non paying member right now and I’m aware that I know little and have much to learn. Since the comment was made, I thought I’d tell you what my, admittedly, uninformed perception was right now of our union, their methods, the frustrating stagnation, the lack of direction, over communicating through worthless emails, and poor process management of this debacle.

All the other stuff the union does is great so far though. I really hope to see our folks get their feet under them and start running.

 

Welcome to United. Unfortunately, you are seeing the by-product of a union that completely pi**ed on the concept of the upside down triangle under the previous MC/MEC due to personal ambitions. The ship is turning, admittedly slow, but it IS happening.

The mentor program is an example of how the triangle is supposed to work, I’m glad it has helped you. Give it time, the rest will follow.

 

The problem with this union is it's inceatual. We just keep recycling these super old/senior people. People get thrown out and names from the past come back to life. They all need to go. I don't care if everybody in the union has been here less then 5 years. For some many years all we heard was how great UAL ALPA was. It's been nothing but a joke for a long time.

 

I don’t disagree but when the top guy thinks he knows it all and surrounds himself with sycophants, it’s a recipe for disaster…regardless of how long anyone has been here.

 

Not this again!

No, they didn’t. But, they have access to the same professional negotiators (ALPA attorneys), SMEs, etc. as we do.

What DAL does have that UAL lacks is an informed and unified pilot group. Happily, that tide is shifting at UAL, though.

 

Contrary to the *unearned* reputation new hires get, we are not gullible, we get the history, had better work rules where we came from, and can see a union spin from a mile away (we grew up on the internet)...

we are ready to walk the line for a great contract

 

That plus TUMI 1.0 are two of the biggest reasons why the pilots’ attitudes are shifting at UAL, IMO.

 

I can't wait until the spin starts that the ****ty first pass was just to get the membership fired up. Was the plan the whole time. Blah, blah, blah...

 

Well remember some said it was so bad it MUST be a ploy to gain leverage via the rejection... That was until the roadshows and recalls lol