We are not close
03-08-2023 | 02:21 PM
#82
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True. For clarity I should have specifically mentioned commuting *to reserve* as the particularly unpalatable choice for those folks.
03-08-2023 | 02:58 PM
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03-13-2023 | 05:08 PM
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Advocating a slowdown is a very poor idea. It’s illegal & will land you in a great deal of personal distress & accomplish nothing of substance on a large scale. What I don’t know if the company realizes, though, is that organic loss of enthusiasm is way more destructive than an intentional slowdown. An organized action can be turned off & on like a light switch. (Contract signed, everything goes back to normal immediately.) Employee morale? Once that’s gone, it’s gone.
Workplace enthusiasm is like a speed/drag power curve. Once you get on the backside of it, it becomes exponentially difficult to get it back. Scott would not be the first airline manager to lose the confidence of his pilots then lazily conclude that they’re just insatiable money grabbers when modest attempts to buy it back fail. We’ve all seen this movie before.
For the last couple years, all I’ve heard from this airline is how powerful & meaningful are personal touches from the pilots. Which, honestly, great- let’s be the customer service airline. But there’s nothing new or creative about wanting “Give A *******“ employees under DGAS conditions. Telling us for months that you’re planning to give us an industry leading contract in 2 weeks then finally making a mediocre offer & suggesting we’re not being reasonable is a major flub up. I think the “we are not close” statement was the beginning of a rapid drop in general enthusiasm, & honestly, I worry about where we end up as an airline if he hasn’t cleaned this up by the summer. A contract today would continue United’s meteoric momentum. A contract in a few months could just be a more expensive way to have p1$$ed off pilots.
Workplace enthusiasm is like a speed/drag power curve. Once you get on the backside of it, it becomes exponentially difficult to get it back. Scott would not be the first airline manager to lose the confidence of his pilots then lazily conclude that they’re just insatiable money grabbers when modest attempts to buy it back fail. We’ve all seen this movie before.
For the last couple years, all I’ve heard from this airline is how powerful & meaningful are personal touches from the pilots. Which, honestly, great- let’s be the customer service airline. But there’s nothing new or creative about wanting “Give A *******“ employees under DGAS conditions. Telling us for months that you’re planning to give us an industry leading contract in 2 weeks then finally making a mediocre offer & suggesting we’re not being reasonable is a major flub up. I think the “we are not close” statement was the beginning of a rapid drop in general enthusiasm, & honestly, I worry about where we end up as an airline if he hasn’t cleaned this up by the summer. A contract today would continue United’s meteoric momentum. A contract in a few months could just be a more expensive way to have p1$$ed off pilots.
03-18-2023 | 11:56 AM
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03-18-2023 | 01:43 PM
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This👆. We would have had a quick deal if we agreed to current book using the Delta pay rates. We’re asking for costly improvements in practicality every section, and this is not going to be done in a couple of weeks. I know that people say that you shouldn’t negotiate in public, but I am willing to concede a Tumi suitcase in order to get a true industry leading contract.
03-19-2023 | 02:47 PM
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It must be noted that this is an almost 100% rewrite of multiple sections. I don't think anyone could work all of them out in 2 weeks. Looking forward to reading the final product if its anywhere near what the ask is.
03-19-2023 | 03:49 PM
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it’s already written… it’s the DAL agreement with a little United stink spread around.
03-19-2023 | 04:17 PM
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How do you know what the actual ask is? All I’ve seen is vague emails from the union about work rule and QOL improvements, nothing specific at all. This is all closed session stuff, we don’t find out until a TA is released (with the exception of a few leaks once we get to the AIP point).
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