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#41
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Tread extremely lightly.
#44
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Not that it matters but most newish android devices automatically randomize your MAC address every time you connect to any wifi connection. That would make it nearly impossible for anyone to look at forum data and know who's android device it came from. Especially using a VPN as well.
But if you screw up, even once, that's all it takes so in general I would avoid online behavior which rises to a termination offense because if you annoy them and get on their radar they will come out guns blazing if they get a hint as to your actually identity.
And they don't even have to *know*, just suspect and then they have justification to ask the question... that will be awkward, are you going to lie, not knowing exactly how much they actually know?
Labor organizing speech is protected... assuming you correctly comprehend where that reservation begins and ends (not all of you do).
Threats or harassment of other employers is always a third rail, same for disclosing info the company deems or considered confidential or privileged. Unless your CBA specifically addresses freedom of speech, your company policy will apply and those tend to be pretty draconian as far as public speech/journalism/social media is concerned.
If you're going to aggressive in your SM use, better educate yourself about digital hygiene, stay up to date on that, and be VERY disciplined in practice. Good Luck.
#46
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#47
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Originally Posted by hummingbear;[url=tel:3602525
3602525]Advocating a slowdown is a very poor idea. It’s illegal & will land you in a great deal of personal distress & accomplish nothing of substance on a large scale. What I don’t know if the company realizes, though, is that organic loss of enthusiasm is way more destructive than an intentional slowdown. An organized action can be turned off & on like a light switch. (Contract signed, everything goes back to normal immediately.) Employee morale? Once that’s gone, it’s gone.
Workplace enthusiasm is like a speed/drag power curve. Once you get on the backside of it, it becomes exponentially difficult to get it back. Scott would not be the first airline manager to lose the confidence of his pilots then lazily conclude that they’re just insatiable money grabbers when modest attempts to buy it back fail. We’ve all seen this movie before.
For the last couple years, all I’ve heard from this airline is how powerful & meaningful are personal touches from the pilots. Which, honestly, great- let’s be the customer service airline. But there’s nothing new or creative about wanting “Give A *******“ employees under DGAS conditions. Telling us for months that you’re planning to give us an industry leading contract in 2 weeks then finally making a mediocre offer & suggesting we’re not being reasonable is a major flub up. I think the “we are not close” statement was the beginning of a rapid drop in general enthusiasm, & honestly, I worry about where we end up as an airline if he hasn’t cleaned this up by the summer. A contract today would continue United’s meteoric momentum. A contract in a few months could just be a more expensive way to have p1$$ed off pilots.
Workplace enthusiasm is like a speed/drag power curve. Once you get on the backside of it, it becomes exponentially difficult to get it back. Scott would not be the first airline manager to lose the confidence of his pilots then lazily conclude that they’re just insatiable money grabbers when modest attempts to buy it back fail. We’ve all seen this movie before.
For the last couple years, all I’ve heard from this airline is how powerful & meaningful are personal touches from the pilots. Which, honestly, great- let’s be the customer service airline. But there’s nothing new or creative about wanting “Give A *******“ employees under DGAS conditions. Telling us for months that you’re planning to give us an industry leading contract in 2 weeks then finally making a mediocre offer & suggesting we’re not being reasonable is a major flub up. I think the “we are not close” statement was the beginning of a rapid drop in general enthusiasm, & honestly, I worry about where we end up as an airline if he hasn’t cleaned this up by the summer. A contract today would continue United’s meteoric momentum. A contract in a few months could just be a more expensive way to have p1$$ed off pilots.
Herb Kelleher understood this, take care of your employees and everything else will fall into place.
Originally Posted by unstabilized;[url=tel:3602933
3602933]I feel like the same people that advocate for work actions are the same people that know nothing about the nuances of being tracked on the internet.
You can be angry and we have a right to be, however professionalism is not letting that anger get in the way of doing your job (and continuing to demonstrate your worth and value add). The limits of that are a personal decision to each individual.
I will continue to do my job to the best of my ability with the upmost professionalism until ALPA officially tells me we’re doing otherwise.
Last edited by Grumble; 03-06-2023 at 11:41 AM.
#48
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Here is the funny thing about Herb. He paid his employees well below industry wages and terrible work rules and kept them smiling. Only after Herb left did SWA get contracts near the majors and industry average.
#49
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From: A320 FO
Yes, if you use a VPN (or even a public wifi) and randomize (or manually change) your MAC address they probably can't find you that way in this day and age. Even home internet routers swap out their IP addresses periodically, although it's possible service providers log that and it could be subject to subpoena.
But if you screw up, even once, that's all it takes so in general I would avoid online behavior which rises to a termination offense because if you annoy them and get on their radar they will come out guns blazing if they get a hint as to your actually identity.
And they don't even have to *know*, just suspect and then they have justification to ask the question... that will be awkward, are you going to lie, not knowing exactly how much they actually know?
Labor organizing speech is protected... assuming you correctly comprehend where that reservation begins and ends (not all of you do).
Threats or harassment of other employers is always a third rail, same for disclosing info the company deems or considered confidential or privileged. Unless your CBA specifically addresses freedom of speech, your company policy will apply and those tend to be pretty draconian as far as public speech/journalism/social media is concerned.
If you're going to aggressive in your SM use, better educate yourself about digital hygiene, stay up to date on that, and be VERY disciplined in practice. Good Luck.
But if you screw up, even once, that's all it takes so in general I would avoid online behavior which rises to a termination offense because if you annoy them and get on their radar they will come out guns blazing if they get a hint as to your actually identity.
And they don't even have to *know*, just suspect and then they have justification to ask the question... that will be awkward, are you going to lie, not knowing exactly how much they actually know?
Labor organizing speech is protected... assuming you correctly comprehend where that reservation begins and ends (not all of you do).
Threats or harassment of other employers is always a third rail, same for disclosing info the company deems or considered confidential or privileged. Unless your CBA specifically addresses freedom of speech, your company policy will apply and those tend to be pretty draconian as far as public speech/journalism/social media is concerned.
If you're going to aggressive in your SM use, better educate yourself about digital hygiene, stay up to date on that, and be VERY disciplined in practice. Good Luck.
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