Originally Posted by ChatMEC

Bankruptcy wages are more than furloughed wages.

Please try again.

Originally Posted by Myfingershurt

Or perhaps this generation is wise enough to know that the same crap will most likely happen to them at some point in their careers and that the rules shouldn’t be changed after the game has begun to make us pay for the past and (likely) future problems.

Originally Posted by awax

Perceived self-entitlement is a wonderful thing, huh?

Get a few furloughs under your belt, lose a pension in bankruptcy, get hosed on an ISL, stagnate in the NB right seat for a decade because scope got dashed in bankruptcy too.

Yeah, I hope you get to experience that so you can “enjoy the same gains”.

Originally Posted by Venkman

No one's entitled to anything in this job. Every generation of pilots will have ups and downs. I've watched every moment of serious traction get sidelined by something. 9/11, Age 65, the recession, then Covid. I have enough of a career ahead of me with enough black swans to worry about, that watching the outgoing generation crab-in-a-bucket the new folks and fight to cool off the momentum we've finally got is just painful. I can still retire when I want? How about any legacy pilot 65+ can still go work for any number of non-121 flying gigs and make good money there. Both arguments are essentially greedy when you get down to it. Difference is, the anti-67 argument has precedence on it's side. We're not campaigning to lower the retirement age, you're campaigning to raise it. Which sounds more like entitlement to you? You're the ones with a case to make, and "helping the company" and "I deserve it because I had a rocky road" don't make great ones, sorry. All the young whipper-snappers coming up now will undoubtedly face many hurdles of their own, if that makes you feel any better.

Originally Posted by AbjectFutility

Personally, I'm not campaigning either way.

The simple fact is that if the retirement age changes to 67, every pilot will still maintain their place on the seniority list. They will exercise that seniority however they choose - regardless of what you or I wish. There are very few black and white guarantees in this career, but seniority is one of them.

Originally Posted by DarkSideMoon

Unless ICAO doesn’t raise it in which case they will be abrogating seniority left and right.

Originally Posted by awax

By that logic senior pilots should vehemently oppose any change to reserve rules that raise the quality of life for junior pilots? Reserve is a choice, right?

Originally Posted by Nucflash

Many would if they could because they they abhor the notion of expending negotiating capital on something that DOESN’T AFFECT THEM. But bless your naïve little heart for thinking that all of the senior people on property care about the junior people.

Originally Posted by AbjectFutility

That explains why the junior pilots were so opposed to the Pandemic LOA..................

Originally Posted by StoneQOLdCrazy

Did you financially support previous pilot generations that experienced hard times? Write them a check, perhaps?

if younger pilots support age 67, and then fall on a rough patch in the industry in future years, will you subsidize them?

no?

then why do you expect younger pilots to do the same for you? You are not and never were entitled to a perfect career. None of us are.

I appreciate the work the alpa PAC has put in to kill age 67, and I intend to raise my contribution. This might be their biggest win ever.

they’re going to need all the resources we can provide to fight the provision inserted into the bill mandating flight deck voice and VIDEO recording within seven years.

That’s what we need to focus on now that age 67 is done.