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04-25-2023 | 02:48 PM
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Would you prefer we have no union? is that what you are saying?
You realize that the dues go toward paying ALPA volunteers to do work on your behalf. Safety committee, security committee, hotel committee, etc, etc. ALPA pays them the same rate to do the work they do. So, if our rate goes up, so does the expense of operating the union.
You realize that the dues go toward paying ALPA volunteers to do work on your behalf. Safety committee, security committee, hotel committee, etc, etc. ALPA pays them the same rate to do the work they do. So, if our rate goes up, so does the expense of operating the union.
Of course a portion of the union dues go towards paying certain union salaries, and as a result, our dues should increase a certain amount. But a portion of our dues also goes towards paying rent at union HQ, paying the bills, various campaign efforts, etc. These are fixed costs and should not go up. But yes, by all means, lets increase union dues to 69% of our salary!!! Steak and lobster for all the chairs! Why not, anything less would be anti union!!!!
04-25-2023 | 03:27 PM
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Where did I say I would prefer no union? I believe I was just asking if the issue had been addressed. Btw, volunteers don't get paid. I believe that is in the definition.
Of course a portion of the union dues go towards paying certain union salaries, and as a result, our dues should increase a certain amount. But a portion of our dues also goes towards paying rent at union HQ, paying the bills, various campaign efforts, etc. These are fixed costs and should not go up. But yes, by all means, lets increase union dues to 69% of our salary!!! Steak and lobster for all the chairs! Why not, anything less would be anti union!!!!
Of course a portion of the union dues go towards paying certain union salaries, and as a result, our dues should increase a certain amount. But a portion of our dues also goes towards paying rent at union HQ, paying the bills, various campaign efforts, etc. These are fixed costs and should not go up. But yes, by all means, lets increase union dues to 69% of our salary!!! Steak and lobster for all the chairs! Why not, anything less would be anti union!!!!
04-25-2023 | 04:41 PM
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Ummm yes, do you??? How did you become a professional pilot without understanding how percentages work 
Imagine a pilot is making $200/hr and paying 1.5% in union dues. He is paying $3/hr to the union. Now assume he gets a 30% raise, and union dues are still 1.5%. he is making $260/hr, and paying $3.90 in union dues. Let me know if you need any more help with 7th grade math
And to the people saying this is too small an amount of money to worry about, please feel free to send me a tiny fraction of your paycheck every month.
A typical united NB captain is paying in the ballpark of $4000/year in union dues. Lets say a 30% raise would equate to about $1200/yr extra in dues. A 35 year old would pay $36,000 over the course of a 30 year career. And if that money was invested in a s&p fund returning 7% a year, that comes out to about 77k.
I knew pilots were bad with money, but sheesh you guys are something else!
Imagine a pilot is making $200/hr and paying 1.5% in union dues. He is paying $3/hr to the union. Now assume he gets a 30% raise, and union dues are still 1.5%. he is making $260/hr, and paying $3.90 in union dues. Let me know if you need any more help with 7th grade math
And to the people saying this is too small an amount of money to worry about, please feel free to send me a tiny fraction of your paycheck every month.
A typical united NB captain is paying in the ballpark of $4000/year in union dues. Lets say a 30% raise would equate to about $1200/yr extra in dues. A 35 year old would pay $36,000 over the course of a 30 year career. And if that money was invested in a s&p fund returning 7% a year, that comes out to about 77k.
I knew pilots were bad with money, but sheesh you guys are something else!
04-25-2023 | 04:55 PM
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But I still stand by my statement, any discussion of lowering union dues is TREASON and must mean that person is a SCAB!!!!!!
04-25-2023 | 05:18 PM
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Where did I say I would prefer no union? I believe I was just asking if the issue had been addressed. Btw, volunteers don't get paid. I believe that is in the definition.
Of course a portion of the union dues go towards paying certain union salaries, and as a result, our dues should increase a certain amount. But a portion of our dues also goes towards paying rent at union HQ, paying the bills, various campaign efforts, etc. These are fixed costs and should not go up . But yes, by all means, lets increase union dues to 69% of our salary!!! Steak and lobster for all the chairs! Why not, anything less would be anti union!!!!
Of course a portion of the union dues go towards paying certain union salaries, and as a result, our dues should increase a certain amount. But a portion of our dues also goes towards paying rent at union HQ, paying the bills, various campaign efforts, etc. These are fixed costs and should not go up . But yes, by all means, lets increase union dues to 69% of our salary!!! Steak and lobster for all the chairs! Why not, anything less would be anti union!!!!
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04-25-2023 | 05:24 PM
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If the shoe fits buddy.
04-26-2023 | 03:11 AM
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I am guessing you were hire post 2010!
04-26-2023 | 03:28 AM
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Say what? Are you a 570, lol?
04-26-2023 | 09:47 AM
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Yes, it's an expense, but well worth it. I get back much more than I would if I wasn't paying dues and didn't have a union. That is the question, is it worth it? Yes, it is.
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