Would like to know the whole story. If he lived in a DAL base and has been mulling this decision over starting over, and this new contract made him realize it's now or never, then that's one thing. Other than that, it sounds like he is not playing the long game like most people in the world who can't see more than a week ahead of them. Sounds like it could be self inflicted as well with an early upgrade. As a 4-year CA, he is likely on RSV or a bottom lineholder getting bad trips, possibly a commuter too. There is always more to the story.

 

SFO based, lives in base (Walnut Creek, East Bay). 737 Line holder. He says he pulled at LEAST one PPU a month. Sick of the politics and “ineptitude”….lack of movement. 2 other half-wingers in the unit are also sitting on DAL CJOs. Most likely will punch once they get indoc dates. Sign of the times.

 

that's pretty silly to give up living in one of UA's most junior bases and having 4 years of seniority to commute for the rest of the career.

politics and ineptitude are everywhere.

 

My Dad lives in Walnut Creek. Easy BART ride. I wonder how many Delta has hired in 4 years. If that guy wants to live anywhere in California, he is fricken nuts to be considering leaving for Delta. At one year, hell yeah, move to Salt lake. But moving down 4000 numbers, no way. His life will really suck. He sounds like a whiney b**** that will probably stay put.

 

Wow, not something I would consider doing, but I wish him well. Maybe he has plans to move to a DAL base in the future, but it is still such a risky move considering the tradeoff in seniority. It's not like other industries where one can jump ship to another company that's offering them a $10k with more time off. Seniority doesn't work that way. There are so many alternatives to leaving for a guy like that can change his mindset. Changing airframes, downgrading, or trying to be an LCA come to mind.

I think what happens to a lot of guys is they hear all the good their friends talk about airline X and how much better it must be than where they're working. I am not military, but I imagine all the good gets hyped up in these "units" and makes the outsiders feel inadequate. Also, a lack of experience in the workforce can make one have unrealistic expectations. I have flown with many pilots who have done nothing than fly for work since college. While it's great to have known early on you wanted to fly, it also limits your view on how bad others have it.

Like others have said, politics and "ineptitude" are everywhere, in the good and bad times, but get more attention during the bad. I am frustrated too that a deal hasn't been done, but it takes patience and solidarity with other pilots to get it done. It will happen, but throwing in the towel by leaving or accepting inadequate offers is not the way. Complaining on here will do nothing but stress you out.

 

I think that what some also fail to look at is “culture”..
United’s Culture has always been very different than Americans and Deltas. Not saying one is right and the other is wrong- just different.
United’s pilot group and been kicked to, and while on the ground, from 2001 till the merger. Continental had a pilot group that was dictated by SCABs and pilots who on one day “worked” for the union/pilot group and then went over to management after the contract was signed and still wet!

It can be argued that between 2012-2013 things weren’t great but (in my opinion) under Oscar, a shift had changed and we started to trend up! Unfortunately after 2018 that trend started to level off and has since started downwards again.

If this guy left at the 4 yr mark, I wish him well. Maybe he did some soul searching and realized that being hired in 2019 hasn’t turned out to be what he expected. Maybe he talked with his squadron buds (every Guard/Reserve Unit has numerous airline pilots) and decided its now or never.
After yesterdays union email, I expect a nightmare this summer both operationally and from the union.

I’ve always preached -
Fly Safe
Fly Professionally &
Fly the Contract …
even if we got a deal next Friday (which I no longer think is possible)…
none of what I’ve said for 20+ years will change.

Only difference would be
Think outside the Box.

But Even that probably won’t save our numbers this summer…

Always
Motch

 

Supposedly UAL is having more than a few new hires leave after Indoc for DAL and AA. SK has always been cheap with his labor force and bold with his statements. He was able to hide behind UA-ALPA’s mishaps early this year but now he’s finally being exposed for the cheap SOB he always has been. I think anyone with a clear mind knows your pilot group will have the most difficult road ahead with gaining anything in QOL because of your CEO who believes words are worth more than actions.

Your management wants nothing more than to keep your reserve rules worse than most regionals. To be honest your global reserve is essentially slave labor as you’re essentially on duty the entire month except for 2 days. Your commuter policy sucks too.

The guy who left after 4 years probably read our contract at DAL, then read the NC emails and realized your pilot group is making little progress fighting for QOL gains we had in our previous contract at DAL.

 

4 yr Capt and a lineholder. lol

this story is made up to incite a response by forum readers.

 

lack of movement? Man a little perspective!!! Sheesh

smells off to me.

 

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