NC Email
04-24-2023 | 12:18 PM
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2 thoughts.
1) The Council 93 email made it sound as if the MEC told the NC to stick to our original proffer and not negotiate. Whether that was true or not it is clear now that we are attempting to negotiate.
2) We can expect the next meaningful update on May 1st.
1) The Council 93 email made it sound as if the MEC told the NC to stick to our original proffer and not negotiate. Whether that was true or not it is clear now that we are attempting to negotiate.
2) We can expect the next meaningful update on May 1st.
04-24-2023 | 01:01 PM
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I hadn’t heard this part about not negotiating before. If memory serves, one of DL’s openers was 25% direct contribution to retirement. They obviously didn’t get that and I believe 3 in 4 DL pilots have demonstrated their happiness with the negotiated result they did get. Hoping for similarly fruitful negotiations for our pilot group.
04-24-2023 | 01:24 PM
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I don't think your first point is necessarily correct about what "negotiating" means. You can come to the table and negotiate by refusing to capitulate and strengthening your position with facts, and that would be 100% appropriate right now. We need an impasse to get a mediator or move closer to a strike vote and another deadlocked meeting when the company refuses to meet us for an ILC is another check in the box to continue playing hardball.
04-24-2023 | 06:07 PM
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Obviously we deserve an ILUPA, i’m not sure by what metric, but it needs to account for our larger pilot group at a minimum. My concern is assuming the company and union agree to a top line value that is DL plus ‘something’ in total value - I’m not convinced a mediator is going to be sympathetic to us getting even more just because we feel like we ‘deserve’ more. There is always the concern that the mediator throws the company a few ‘wins’ too.
04-24-2023 | 07:57 PM
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Management does not want such a deal otherwise we would already have it.
IMHO the strategy is to draw it out into full mediation, and keep the current cost structure as long as possible.
In the meantime another Black Swan cloud arriving would become Kirby's silver lining.
IMHO the strategy is to draw it out into full mediation, and keep the current cost structure as long as possible.
In the meantime another Black Swan cloud arriving would become Kirby's silver lining.
04-25-2023 | 03:42 AM
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Management does not want such a deal otherwise we would already have it.
IMHO the strategy is to draw it out into full mediation, and keep the current cost structure as long as possible.
In the meantime another Black Swan cloud arriving would become Kirby's silver lining.
IMHO the strategy is to draw it out into full mediation, and keep the current cost structure as long as possible.
In the meantime another Black Swan cloud arriving would become Kirby's silver lining.
04-25-2023 | 04:57 AM
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Originally Posted by BlueScholar;[url=tel:3628575
3628575[/url]]I don't think your first point is necessarily correct about what "negotiating" means. You can come to the table and negotiate by refusing to capitulate and strengthening your position with facts, and that would be 100% appropriate right now. We need an impasse to get a mediator or move closer to a strike vote and another deadlocked meeting when the company refuses to meet us for an ILC is another check in the box to continue playing hardball.
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