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05-08-2023 | 10:27 PM
#121
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What does that even mean? Do you have me confused with someone else trying to get on with UAL? United was never my top choice. I was always gunning for Delta or American. I’m only here to get updates on any progress with your negotiations. I’m hopeful your pilot group sets a new bar for pattern bargaining purposes but it’s looking doubtful.
It’s entertaining, you play yourself off as just bringing a positive outlook to the United threads, but you’re actually a rhapsody blue kool-aid drinking management shill. That’s why you get nasty real quick when someone starts posting anything negative about United.
It’s entertaining, you play yourself off as just bringing a positive outlook to the United threads, but you’re actually a rhapsody blue kool-aid drinking management shill. That’s why you get nasty real quick when someone starts posting anything negative about United.
As a happy DL guy with more UA buddies than not as I formerly lived in a UA base, education is key here. To be anonymous and frank: Your contract sucks. More than DL C2016. It isn’t a personal fault of yours, or that Delta is better/worse job. Put the tape measure or micrometer away. You need to be educated on what is out there to let your MEC hear what matters to you. If you fix your reserve rules? Everyone at UA makes more money and it solidifies it as an industry standard for example. Your fellow ALPA pilots in each others jump seats aren’t the enemy, except for a few of the weirdos at each of our companies. United management historically is great at spinning “industry leading” or whatever when in reality its solid third place. You all are better than that, or at least the younger (relative) generation should be.
Please raise or at least solidify the bar in all areas for once in my career since 2001. Your MEC needs to hear what you want and why, they dictate the negotiation committee guidance. Garth or whoever really is in the right needs that support.
05-09-2023 | 10:37 AM
#122
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We’re far too proud of that statistic, IMO. The original TA had many supporters in its early days who advocated for a “take what we can now & get the rest next time” approach.
The AA offer was the first big turning point that illustrated to many people how badly we had undervalued ourselves in negotiations. By the time we actually voted on TUMI many months later, the company had explicitly stated they were going to improve their offer, so the vote was little more than a procedural matter to put us back at the negotiating table- with both sides essentially endorsing a no vote. The TA would very likely have still failed absent that assurance from management, but I don’t think the no vote would have been anywhere near 90%.
The AA offer was the first big turning point that illustrated to many people how badly we had undervalued ourselves in negotiations. By the time we actually voted on TUMI many months later, the company had explicitly stated they were going to improve their offer, so the vote was little more than a procedural matter to put us back at the negotiating table- with both sides essentially endorsing a no vote. The TA would very likely have still failed absent that assurance from management, but I don’t think the no vote would have been anywhere near 90%.
05-10-2023 | 06:10 PM
#126
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So although actual yes voters make up only 6%, the mentality of accepting a lousy offer for expediency’s sake is far more prevalent than that. Don’t get me wrong- I think we’re on the right track making necessary cultural changes. I just think it’s a false assumption that a 94% no vote indicates a group that’s 94% unified; considering the circumstances.
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