American has an AIP
05-22-2023 | 06:38 AM
#111
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I totally agree, just making the point the company wasn't starting at zero. They have offered some things, and actually I think one line is potentially huge.
If this is written in such a way that prevents the company from simply adding more reserves to make such lines then the implication is senior people could bid reserve knowing they would not be subject to SC and that would end up potentially reducing the number of people subjected to SC. I, for one, being local, would most definitely bid "voluntary reserve" if I was guaranteed no SCs, and I don't think that line is the only one that has potential to be big, but of course the devil is in the details of which we have few at the moment.
If this is written in such a way that prevents the company from simply adding more reserves to make such lines then the implication is senior people could bid reserve knowing they would not be subject to SC and that would end up potentially reducing the number of people subjected to SC. I, for one, being local, would most definitely bid "voluntary reserve" if I was guaranteed no SCs, and I don't think that line is the only one that has potential to be big, but of course the devil is in the details of which we have few at the moment.
Since we are speculating(and without all the deets) I think the assigned SC for those remaining on reserve will go up. If you reduce the number subjected to SC, those that are subjected to SC will be more miserable due to more SC assignments. Seems pretty common sensical to me. When you tip the scales to better the life of the more senior, the more junior have to pick up the slack.
I know, we are a seniority based system so eating the juniors is tasty and nutritious.
05-22-2023 | 06:54 AM
#112
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If none of the senior pilots that are local like you bid reserve, because there is no SC threat, how do you think that might impact the number of SC that those who are on reserve(junior) will get assigned?
Since we are speculating(and without all the deets) I think the assigned SC for those remaining on reserve will go up. If you reduce the number subjected to SC, those that are subjected to SC will be more miserable due to more SC assignments. Seems pretty common sensical to me. When you tip the scales to better the life of the more senior, the more junior have to pick up the slack.
I know, we are a seniority based system so eating the juniors is tasty and nutritious.
Since we are speculating(and without all the deets) I think the assigned SC for those remaining on reserve will go up. If you reduce the number subjected to SC, those that are subjected to SC will be more miserable due to more SC assignments. Seems pretty common sensical to me. When you tip the scales to better the life of the more senior, the more junior have to pick up the slack.
I know, we are a seniority based system so eating the juniors is tasty and nutritious.
05-22-2023 | 08:35 AM
#113
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If none of the senior pilots that are local like you bid reserve, because there is no SC threat, how do you think that might impact the number of SC that those who are on reserve(junior) will get assigned?
Since we are speculating(and without all the deets) I think the assigned SC for those remaining on reserve will go up. If you reduce the number subjected to SC, those that are subjected to SC will be more miserable due to more SC assignments. Seems pretty common sensical to me. When you tip the scales to better the life of the more senior, the more junior have to pick up the slack.
I know, we are a seniority based system so eating the juniors is tasty and nutritious.
Since we are speculating(and without all the deets) I think the assigned SC for those remaining on reserve will go up. If you reduce the number subjected to SC, those that are subjected to SC will be more miserable due to more SC assignments. Seems pretty common sensical to me. When you tip the scales to better the life of the more senior, the more junior have to pick up the slack.
I know, we are a seniority based system so eating the juniors is tasty and nutritious.
Your analysis certainly could be correct. As I said, the devil is in the details.
I would add the note that today's update is interesting when you compare the list of open items from 4/3 versus the list of open items as of now. Seems the company is coming to it's senses. Hopefully that continues and continues quickly.
4/3 - update
Section 5 and 20 - Hours of Service and Scheduling of Flying
Open Items:
Open Items:
- Increase in number of reserve days off
- Increase in the daily value of reserve guarantee
- Pilot option to add an additional reserve day in high LPA months
- Short Call caps
- Elimination of FDOs for Basic categories
- Elimination of involuntary FSB
- Improved voluntary reserve options
- Improved Long Call and Short Call callout times
- Increased pay for voluntary FSB
- Remove crew desk discretion from reserve assignment order
- Incentives to avoid involuntarily rolling of reserve days off
- Improved limits on AV replacement flying
- Additional hotel and Positive Space travel for AV replacement flying and reassignments that arrive after original release time
- Reassignment Add Pay rig
- Overtime Add Pay rig
4/22 - update
Section 5--Hours of Service
1. Minimum pay for a day of reserve
2. FDO (Flexible Day Off) changes for Basic Reserve categories
3. Elimination of involuntary Field Standby (FSB)
4. Elimination of the 50% and 75% options for Premium Pay (PPU)
Section 20--Allocation, Assignment and Scheduling of Flying
2. Positive Space travel for missed commute due to a reassignment
3. Overtime and reassignment pay
- Open Items:
1. Minimum pay for a day of reserve
2. FDO (Flexible Day Off) changes for Basic Reserve categories
3. Elimination of involuntary Field Standby (FSB)
4. Elimination of the 50% and 75% options for Premium Pay (PPU)
Section 20--Allocation, Assignment and Scheduling of Flying
- Open Items:
2. Positive Space travel for missed commute due to a reassignment
3. Overtime and reassignment pay
05-22-2023 | 12:11 PM
#115
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Trying to count 10am as an approvement just because it says it in the contract instead of just 117 is insanity, especially when the standard now is 1400+ day 1 at every other major airline.
05-22-2023 | 09:47 PM
#117
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Your analysis certainly could be correct. As I said, the devil is in the details.
I would add the note that today's update is interesting when you compare the list of open items from 4/3 versus the list of open items as of now. Seems the company is coming to it's senses. Hopefully that continues and continues quickly.
4/3 - update
[/list]
4/22 - update
I would add the note that today's update is interesting when you compare the list of open items from 4/3 versus the list of open items as of now. Seems the company is coming to it's senses. Hopefully that continues and continues quickly.
4/3 - update
[/list]
4/22 - update
05-22-2023 | 11:33 PM
#118
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05-23-2023 | 03:27 AM
#119
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While most airlines have gotten rid of BS items that can rank qol I don’t see United getting rid of theirs. More likely they will be economically disincentivized from using them and the union rather than trying to get rid of them all together will settle for making the company pay more when using those items.
05-23-2023 | 08:44 AM
#120
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While most airlines have gotten rid of BS items that can rank qol I don’t see United getting rid of theirs. More likely they will be economically disincentivized from using them and the union rather than trying to get rid of them all together will settle for making the company pay more when using those items.
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