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Old 06-02-2023 | 02:29 AM
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Originally Posted by Ice Bear
Imagine a few well-positioned billboards at our hubs, in big clear letters: UNITED PILOTS VOTE TO STRIKE. The public doesn't know RLA nuance. They just see that and book away. The mistake was not doing it before summer bookings.
Imagine a social media ad on every phone that traverses a United hub that says: UNITED PILOTS VOTE TO STRIKE, here is why…
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Old 06-02-2023 | 02:52 AM
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Originally Posted by CQKSNT
Imagine a social media ad on every phone that traverses a United hub that says: UNITED PILOTS VOTE TO STRIKE, here is why…
I think the best we’ll do is fax machine blasts.
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Old 06-02-2023 | 04:32 AM
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Originally Posted by ThumbsUp
I think the best we’ll do is fax machine blasts.
United puts the sh back in IT. ALPA takes that to whole new level..

But get the vote out anyway.
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Old 06-02-2023 | 04:34 AM
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get the vote out ASAP along with a billboard on every hub with 99% ready to walk enough is enough
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Old 06-02-2023 | 05:02 AM
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Originally Posted by DarkSideMoon
I’ve heard multiple times SK doesn’t think pilots are really that upset right now.
And why not?! - Picking up open time, podium PA's, posing for company propaganda, volunteering for company projects, not doing the simple things the Union asks like wearing a lanyard...
I could go on. We have a long way to go.
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Old 06-02-2023 | 08:57 AM
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Everyone keep in mind, that authorization for the strike vote doesn't mean the vote will be taken any time soon. Yes, It's a good PR move, but it's only an authorization. Keep it in your pocket so to speak, to be taken at a future time that might be more tactical.

As has already been stated here, a strike vote to the NMB before requests for mediation might not go over well. My personal opinion is we should have done this long ago, and my hope is that we'll take that vote sooner rather than later.
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Old 06-02-2023 | 10:12 AM
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Originally Posted by Dave Fitzgerald
Everyone keep in mind, that authorization for the strike vote doesn't mean the vote will be taken any time soon. Yes, It's a good PR move, but it's only an authorization. Keep it in your pocket so to speak, to be taken at a future time that might be more tactical.

As has already been stated here, a strike vote to the NMB before requests for mediation might not go over well. My personal opinion is we should have done this long ago, and my hope is that we'll take that vote sooner rather than later.

THEREFORE BE IT FINALLY RESOLVED THAT the Master Chair will inform the Company (UAL) and our pilot group of the intent to conduct a strike authorization vote.
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Old 06-02-2023 | 02:10 PM
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Originally Posted by Sniper66
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We didn’t even get 99% no on TUMI & the union & company were basically endorsing a no vote. We like to tout that 94% as proof of our resolve, but the pessimist in me fears this strike vote could be a “careful what you ask for” situation, as it will be- for better or worse- a much more accurate measure of our unity. Will that be a number we’re proud of? I don’t know.

SK is certain to go right to the playbook & tell us all how close we are to a deal, & how unnecessary this vote is. That they only need a few more weeks to make sure they can get us the best possible contract & in the meantime this vote only serves to worry our customers & potentially hurt UAL’s bottom line & future growth plans. How many will fall for it?

To be clear, I support this action by the MEC & I really hope we get a strong, unified outcome. But it’s far from guaranteed.
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Old 06-02-2023 | 02:28 PM
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Originally Posted by hummingbear
We didn’t even get 99% no on TUMI & the union & company were basically endorsing a no vote. We like to tout that 94% as proof of our resolve, but the pessimist in me fears this strike vote could be a “careful what you ask for” situation, as it will be- for better or worse- a much more accurate measure of our unity. Will that be a number we’re proud of? I don’t know.

SK is certain to go right to the playbook & tell us all how close we are to a deal, & how unnecessary this vote is. That they only need a few more weeks to make sure they can get us the best possible contract & in the meantime this vote only serves to worry our customers & potentially hurt UAL’s bottom line & future growth plans. How many will fall for it?

To be clear, I support this action by the MEC & I really hope we get a strong, unified outcome. But it’s far from guaranteed.
Tumi was a vote for something real and in the present. A strike vote would easily top 95% since people know that it is mostly a symbolic gesture and any chance of actually getting released into self help is a long way out.
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Old 06-02-2023 | 09:08 PM
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Originally Posted by Hedley
Tumi was a vote for something real and in the present. A strike vote would easily top 95% since people know that it is mostly a symbolic gesture and any chance of actually getting released into self help is a long way out.
Disagree. There was nothing real about the TUMI vote. The contract had been DOA for months & the company was already offering to make big improvements to it once it was rejected. There was no logical reason to vote yes by that time which made the no vote essentially meaningless.

A strike vote is only “symbolic” to the extent you understand the nuances of the authorization process, which I’m not sure everyone here does. In either case, the possibility of a strike- however unlikely- is pretty meaningful & I don't think we’ll get the same consensus in this that we got from TUMI. That’s just my hunch, though, & I hope I’m wrong.
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