You’re missing the point. 94/6 would be a landslide if it were an actual vote. But it really wasn’t. The company & union had already both agreed that the proposal fell short & the company had publicly stated a better offer would be forthcoming. A better contract was essentially guaranteed & 1 in 20 still voted to accept. Does that mean the sky is falling? No, it just means the 94% tells us much less about our unified mindset than you seem to be suggesting it does.

Probably a better frame of reference for where we stand would be a vote on an actual polarizing issue- like the recent recall votes. If memory serves, most (not all) of those passed with around 55%-75%.

Why does this all matter?

In the context of a strike vote, you need a huge consensus to effectively communicate to management that our resolve is beyond their ability to influence. We’re talking mid to high 90’s. Your 70/30 “landslide” would merely have them slapping each other on the back & laughing at us. I think I’m in a minority, but my concern has always been that many here are putting way too much confidence in that 94%; and that a strike vote may end up looking more like your typical 65% recall vote- which would be devastating for us.

Again, we’ve come a long way & I hope I’m wrong; but that’s why I don’t take much reassurance from the TUMI vote.

 

I would dust off the resume if the strike vote is less than 90%. Not even joking.

 

I think the strike vote will backfire due to a low percentage

people want a deal now, and will vote no

hopefully the union get the deal done before vote is needed

 

People understand that a strike vote is almost purely symbolic since the possibility of actually being released is years away. It will be over 95% in favor.

 

Troll on! …..

 

If people want a deal now, they should vote yes. If a lot of people vote no, it means we are happy they way things are and the company will **ck around even more. I think it will garner 98% yes. 90 percent voting.

 

Maybe, maybe not. I could argue that wearing a lanyard is also a purely symbolic gesture & were at what, maybe 60% compliance with that? There are still a lot of guys out there who think the union is asking for too much. There’s TI guys who are upset about the recalls. Then there’s the guys who support the union but think a strike vote is unnecessary/too aggressive. If the vote were being held today, I don’t think you’d get anywhere near 90%. Of course, it isn’t, & this will be a test of the union’s ability to galvanize us on this issue in the meantime.

The company will also be testing its ability to mislead & fracture us. They will go right to the playbook- which means describing a future which is equally rosy (growth, expansion, widebody upgrades for all) if we follow their lead & terrifying (stagnation, loss of market share, furloughs) if we don’t. The old “take care of us today & we’ll take care of you tomorrow” line. They will use this tactic for the simple reason that it works. *cough* Pandemic LOA *cough*.

The company is confident that the methods of the past will work just as well today, so it will take an overwhelming result on this vote to convince them otherwise. Showing your hand is only effective when you have a good hand, & I’m not sure we have that presently. I would love nothing more than to eat my words on this point.

 

the guys saying we are asking for too much obviously need to talk to their reps. Doing nothing but trying to pull even with Delta.

 

I guess we’ll find out soon enough. I’m pretty confident that we’ll have a high approval vote. I’m also confident that it won’t affect current negotiations much at all.

 

I couldn’t agree more, but they are out there…