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Old 12-19-2023 | 01:27 PM
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Originally Posted by TNDeltaFlyboy
If your PS plan is the carbon copy of Delta's everyone says it is, then, no, prior year's PS isn't included. If it isn't, then you scored a big win with that.

And the IRS view PS payouts as a bonus, not normal income which is why taxes are withheld and a hire than normal rate.
Taxes on bonuses are withheld at 25%. I’d say that’s probably lower than most major airline pilots effective tax rate.
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Old 12-19-2023 | 01:37 PM
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Originally Posted by Myfingershurt
Taxes on bonuses are withheld at 25%. I’d say that’s probably lower than most major airline pilots effective tax rate.
It's always been higher than mine, but you are correct so thanks for pointing out that could not be the case for all.
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Old 12-19-2023 | 03:29 PM
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Originally Posted by Myfingershurt
you get profit sharing on your profit sharing? That’s cool.
The company has a formula to determine the total amount which will be paid to all pilots.

Then they have a formula to divide the pot. Including PS and Retro disproportionately inflates the earning of senior pilots. It doesn't really get you "more" profit sharing.
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Old 12-19-2023 | 03:38 PM
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Originally Posted by Brickfire
The company has a formula to determine the total amount which will be paid to all pilots.

Then they have a formula to divide the pot. Including PS and Retro disproportionately inflates the earning of senior pilots. It doesn't really get you "more" profit sharing.
Interesting. Delta specifically takes previous year's PS payment out of the calculation when divvying it up. Yes I know this doesn't affect the total PS paid to pilots, but it affects pilots on an individual level.
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Old 12-19-2023 | 04:16 PM
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Originally Posted by m3113n1a1
Interesting. Delta specifically takes previous year's PS payment out of the calculation when divvying it up. Yes I know this doesn't affect the total PS paid to pilots, but it affects pilots on an individual level.
It isn’t calculated in ours (United) either. Profit sharing payments aren’t eligible earnings.
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Old 12-19-2023 | 04:39 PM
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Old 12-19-2023 | 06:56 PM
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Originally Posted by GoCats67
The good news is that with the 2023 retro counting in the earnings most should be getting whatever the percentage ends up being off a significantly larger number than last years earnings.
Seems like this wouldn’t matter if the PS pot is a hard number.

The United pilots divide 400m with regular W2, or the United pilots divide 400m with spiked W2.
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Old 12-19-2023 | 08:00 PM
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Originally Posted by OpieTaylor
Seems like this wouldn’t matter if the PS pot is a hard number.

The United pilots divide 400m with regular W2, or the United pilots divide 400m with spiked W2.
Since the spiked amount varies, it'll obviosuly benefit those who had larger retro checks more than the ones who had the smallest. They'll get an even bigger share proportionally.

It's a pretty insignificant difference, though, since it is only the 2023 portion that matters.
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Old 12-20-2023 | 04:13 AM
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Originally Posted by ThumbsUp
Since the spiked amount varies, it'll obviosuly benefit those who had larger retro checks more than the ones who had the smallest. They'll get an even bigger share proportionally.

It's a pretty insignificant difference, though, since it is only the 2023 portion that matters.
The spiked amount varies, but for PS purposes spiked W2s would have to have more variance the not spiked W2s.

Seems like it would be hard for anyone to detect that an equal % raise paid retroactively increased collective W2 variance.

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Old 12-20-2023 | 05:41 AM
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Originally Posted by OpieTaylor
The spiked amount varies, but for PS purposes spiked W2s would have to have more variance the not spiked W2s.

Seems like it would be hard for anyone to detect that an equal % raise paid retroactively increased collective W2 variance.
Yeah, actually, when I started writing that, I had it in my head that the whole retro check was in it as opposed to the 2023 portion alone. It alone won't make any difference at all.
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