I wouldn’t be so sure about United having to pay a premium. Personally I think Airbus will bend over backwards to get United planes if that means a big deal and long term relationship. Airbus has an advantage, but they can reshuffle as needed to get United as a long term customer.

 

Yes, but those slots are not going to come cheap or easy. There’s a premium United will have to pay for those earlier A321 slots….. By all means, I don’t think United is the only carrier fighting for those slots either….. We shall see, A330s aren’t happening though lol. That rumor needs to die.

The right move in opinion is to use near term slots to keep being certified aircraft onto property and get some kickback on delays…..

 

Well there is this quote from a January article....

Airbus SE is seeking to persuade customers to return some aircraft delivery slots that it could then hand over to United Airlines Holdings Inc., going all out for the rare chance to snatch a marquee order away from embattled rival Boeing Co.

Why would Airbus be trying to get other airlines to give up their A-321 delivery slots? Widebodies. Only reason.

 

The premium being paid would be the A330s. Airbus wants to sell 330s. United wants 321s, Airbus doesn't need to sell 321s. There's a middle ground somewhere.

 

When things are decided and when they are announced are two to different things. Just because the announcement to pause hiring came before the announcement to convert -10's to '9's doesn't necessarily mean that things were actually decided in that order.

 

put the pipe down

Airbus will get something in return from UA - I suspect firming up the 350 order at a minimum

 

Embarrass them? How can we embarrass them more than they’ve done for themselves?!? Quite literally every single Boeing product is a **** show. Just got an article this morning that the T-7 is going to be delayed yet another year. Who needs 10 years to design and build a trainer using a 50 year old engine? Probably the same people that completely F’d up a 60+ year old airplane.

We’ve had their balls in a vice since the first 787 delay! There’s only so many free, non existent airplanes you can wait for before you need to just cut ties and harvest the losses. This is YEARS behind, unless you Boeing loyalists like getting cucked. Is that it?

 

777-9X is too big for US customers it’s solely focused on Asia/middle east
777-8X is too heavy which negates any fuel efficiency and hasn’t had an order in over 10 years
KC-46 has been having issues since it was first started and it’s literally a 767-200 which came out in 1982. It’s not even big enough to replace the KC-10
737Max- speaks for itself
787- obviously the program had its issues in the beginning and it’s been extremely expensive for Boeing but overall is a great airplane. But they will never push the technology limits like this again due to costs.

So what now? They just bought an ex delta MD-90 and are gonna strap a wing to the top of it and put UDF fan props on it like they did with the 72/MD80 in the 90s.

I don’t see a new airplane for Boeing in the next 10 years. I’m no expert but I really don’t feel like Boeing is going to be producing anything in the commercial market that they don’t already make between now and 2034.

 

Of course not. Even if they announced a new design yesterday it still wouldn’t be ready before then.