Zurich Go Around
06-04-2024 | 04:07 AM
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Sounds fatiguing as hell. I can't imagine showing up for a flt to HKG/SYD/PEK etc that departs at midnight and not knowing whether to be a little tired and prepared for first break or to have napped knowing I was going on second break. But to each their own.
06-04-2024 | 04:20 AM
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And UA IROs go in the sim every three months or so to get the equivalent of a no-threat PC. I think our system works quite well in keeping pilots 'current' and qualified.
06-04-2024 | 04:24 AM
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Those are FRMS flights at Delta and operate differently.
06-04-2024 | 04:40 AM
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But that’s not the point of this thread. I hope we get some breakdown of what happened here through the training department. What thought process happened in that cockpit so I can learn from it, and hopefully not make the same decisions before just calling a go around and trying again. Good job saving the day, but ooohhh boy was that hard to watch.
06-04-2024 | 08:50 AM
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At DL you show up to the briefing. The CA will normally ask if anyone is about to expire currency and needs a landing. Or they already know because they looked it up from the rotation details. Then it normally goes something along the lines of "I'll fly us over, you guys decide who wants to fly back". If nobody speaks up or they can't decide, it often ends up going to a coin toss. The PF of the return leg does relief on the outbound, and the PM on the outbound does relief coming back.
But most of the time for guys who do purely 3 day Europe the captain takes first leg I find, with some exceptions, then lets the FOs decide who takes it back.
06-04-2024 | 11:54 AM
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Aren't there more important things in our industry than safe landings? Shouldn't we be talking about DEI? And what about Pride Month?
A go-around is nothing more than a human construct. Talking about safety disparages those that are unsafe. We really need to deconstruct this "safety" concept. It's getting in the way of equity.
A go-around is nothing more than a human construct. Talking about safety disparages those that are unsafe. We really need to deconstruct this "safety" concept. It's getting in the way of equity.
06-04-2024 | 12:38 PM
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Aren't there more important things in our industry than safe landings? Shouldn't we be talking about DEI? And what about Pride Month?
A go-around is nothing more than a human construct. Talking about safety disparages those that are unsafe. We really need to deconstruct this "safety" concept. It's getting in the way of equity.
A go-around is nothing more than a human construct. Talking about safety disparages those that are unsafe. We really need to deconstruct this "safety" concept. It's getting in the way of equity.
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