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Old 05-29-2025 | 03:19 PM
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flew with a newhire that was a p-8 pilot in a parallel life. He said the Poseidon has an eicas. It was one quick leg only so I didn’t have a good opportunity to press the idea but I was floored when he said that. Anyone confirm?
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Old 05-29-2025 | 03:45 PM
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Eicas is one thing but how hard is it to train a pilot on an "auto" button for anti-ice or cabin temp?
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Old 05-29-2025 | 05:46 PM
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Wow.
This also indicates United pilots are not the only ones who can’t resist touching the screens with thier greasy paws.
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Old 05-29-2025 | 08:38 PM
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Originally Posted by Swakid8
Easy to design an airplane to military needs if they pony up the money and not have to deal with the FAA in terms of certifications beyond the aircraft type….
This right here. Military planes aren’t technically FAA certified. The military gets what the military wants because it doesn’t have that red tape from the FAA.
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Old 05-30-2025 | 06:37 AM
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Originally Posted by SoFloFlyer
This right here. Military planes aren’t technically FAA certified. The military gets what the military wants because it doesn’t have that red tape from the FAA.
They also weren't concerned about somebody being able to fly the P-3 and the P-8 on the same trip!!! Definitely a different "bid position."
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Old 05-30-2025 | 08:49 AM
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Originally Posted by GoCats67
They also weren't concerned about somebody being able to fly the P-3 and the P-8 on the same trip!!! Definitely a different "bid position."
I think from a human factors standpoint that's the biggest issue.

In the anti-ice case I think it's silly since it doesn't matter if you leave it on with the CFM-56 so just add logic and a sensor to turn it off on the Max. The procedure can stay exactly the same and the computer will protect against inattention.

The certification authorities are making them provide 3 AOA sensors standard so making them add an ice detector or an over temp sensor isn't too big a deal.

We're going to be flying this junk until the single pilot version comes out so we may as well pressure them to make it right and retrofit the rest of the fleet.
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Old 05-30-2025 | 09:06 AM
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Originally Posted by tallpilot
I think from a human factors standpoint that's the biggest issue.

In the anti-ice case I think it's silly since it doesn't matter if you leave it on with the CFM-56 so just add logic and a sensor to turn it off on the Max. The procedure can stay exactly the same and the computer will protect against inattention.

The certification authorities are making them provide 3 AOA sensors standard so making them add an ice detector or an over temp sensor isn't too big a deal.

We're going to be flying this junk until the single pilot version comes out so we may as well pressure them to make it right and retrofit the rest of the fleet.
I would love to see the flip switching that would happen on a 737 single pilot. It would look like something out of the matrix.
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Old 05-30-2025 | 09:36 AM
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I would love to see the flip switching that would happen on a 737 single pilot. It would look like something out of the matrix.
there will be no single pilot era. the reliability required to permit single pilot flying permits pilotless flying. we will go straight from 2 to zero.
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Old 05-30-2025 | 10:08 AM
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there will be no single pilot era. the reliability required to permit single pilot flying permits pilotless flying. we will go straight from 2 to zero.
How soon do you see that coming?
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Old 05-30-2025 | 10:42 AM
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How soon do you see that coming?
I've been hearing about single pilot planes being "just around the corner" since I was hired here over 30 years ago.

They would first have to design and build a pilotless plane that could fit into the existing ATC infrastructure. That's probably a decade or more away. Right now Boeing and Airbus are selling almost every plane they make so there's not a lot of incentive to spend money on something like this.

Also the cost of the plane would likely far outweight the operating costs of an existing design build and the cost of pilots. Keep in mind that any new pilotless plane has a whole new set of costs.

If the FAA isn't certifying the MAX 7/10 for some minor stuff, they aren't just going to run out and certify a plane without pilots without years of testing, which most manufacturers won't want to do. As long as Boeing keeps building 2 pilot planes, we will need 2 pilots to fly them.
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